Box Office

Rotten Toms audience scores:
TLJ: 43%
TROS: 86%

IMDB audience scores:
TLJ: 7.0
TROS: 6.9 (this was 7.1 last time I checked =P )

Metacritic audience scores:
TLJ: 4.4
TROS: 5.0

 

There is no way disney will be happy about the performance of this movie, despite barely crossing a billion.

 

I guess it can't be stated enough that online polls measuring audience reception are unreliable. Anyone can vote, it's overwhelming male, and it counts people with strong enough opinions to vote. Heck, the RT score isn't even measure the same way so it's completely useless.

One thing I just thought about that's different than when RofJ and ROS were released is that those films ended series where there were no Star Wars films being planned. I like TROS, but I'm not in love with it. Right now I'm more interested in details about the next TV series/film series than watching or thinking about TROS. Some of that is do with the film, but some of that is just the new reality.

It is a bit of a disappointment, but I'm not sure what they'll do about it. Lucasfilm has already put in motion a different way of doing films going forward. It does seem like this really hurts the chances of seeing more stories about Rey/Finn/Poe on the big screen for awhile. If the new film is a big hit Disney will be more interested in building on that than rehashing this saga again.

 

No optimism here. I really think TLJ turned 25-30 % of viewers off from following the story. The sequels have not been very engaging, toy sales are down...and few spin offs will be profitable. The sequel characters will be forgotten as time goes by.

Disney will just have to reboot in another time line. Following on the mandalorian or the old republic. There’s nothing left to build on, and the nostalgia has been used up by now.

 

I would rather form my beliefs on imperfect data with a grain of salt than no data (aka anecdotal evidence). I mean, what's the alternative? I also don't know why you fault gender in the data. People who see movies in theaters enough times to form a strong analysis will have more disposable income but I wouldn't split that hair. People are people and all people are equal.

Yea. I think TLJ did some irreparable damage. :-( You can't take the most beloved character in the franchise (Luke) and turn him into a complete loser without shooting yourself in the foot. I know a lot of IRL friends that, after TLJ, simply decided Star Wars was no longer for them. So they haven't even seen TROS yet. Personally I find TFA and TROS extremely engaging and I think Kylo Ben will eventually be the one character who emerges from the ST as having long-term value. Judging by Twitter (and I'm not just talking about Reylo fanatics or #SaveBenSolo people), Kylo Ben really struck a chord.

I actually don't see many toys even being made for TROS. I can't find a TIE Whisper in any form! (Other than the Pop Vinyl with Kylo popping out the top).

I doubt "reboot" was the word you meant, especially since you went on to say it would build off of something like the Mandalorian. But I do think you have a good point in terms of those threads being areas where future quality stories might take place.

 

Just to be clear.

My opinion of TROS is very high. I think it's an A+ film, and a remarkable accomplishment.
I don't care if someone thinks otherwise - cool. That's how it is for them; not for me.

My remarks in this thread on the box office is in no way representative of my opinions about the film's quality in my appreciation of the film.

Fiscal performance, public opinion, and my personal opinion of film are not the same thing.
I love John Carter a hell of a lot. I also love Cowboys & Aliens. A lot of people do not, and they didn't do well at the box office either.

Cheers,
Jayson

 

I also really love TROS. :-D

I enjoyed RIPD quite a bit. I think that movie sank like a stone =P

 

There's several companies that Hollywood pays to measure what the audience really thinks. That's my point. There's real data out there and people simply ignore it for whatever reason. The industry audience data on TROS isn't terrible, but it's down significantly from TLJ.

If that were true it would have been reflected opening weekend. The trend data before the film was released was up over the run up to TLJ. There was plenty of interest in this movie the first 3 weeks. Long term legs are determined by what people think of the movie. Word of mouth on this film is the weakest of the Disney Star Wars films. That's not a TLJ issue, that's a TROS issue.

Same here. It's a much better film that it did at the box office. I should also note that TROS is still a huge hit. John Carter was a real bomb at the box office. I really liked the A Team movie as well, but it did poorly at the box office.

 

Such a fun show!

Oh man, I loved that! They nailed the essence of that show perfectly!

Cheers,
Jayson

 

Can you link us to those data?

 

Cinemascore.

It's the gold standard in the industry. It's what every production sits up late waiting to see the results of. Not online polls.

Cheers,
Jayson

 

Yeah. That's how taste goes.
I've seen Rouge One the least. Once, and it's the only one I ever walked out to use the bathroom during. I even went and got some more food. I was bored.

Meanwhile others cite it as their favorite.

Cheers,
Jayson

 

I haven’t researched the rise of skywalker until January 12 at 7am. I decided not to got see it in the theater because people didn’t take the boycott seriously with solo and found every excuse to reason why it under performed.

I don’t fell vindicated, but I now know that the people who weren’t happy with tlj was a larger percentage of fans than what the media and other groups thought.

I love the mandalorian. rouge 1 was awesome. Solo was a great movie as well. But the last Jedi was an abomination to the previous 7.

I understand Disney wanted to kill the past. But don’t kill it until you end the skywalker saga.

I love Star Wars and want it to succeed. But the fans are the customers. You can’t please everyone but you shouldn’t take your customers for granted. We take Star Wars seriously.

Tlj would’ve been great in another story, not in the skywalker saga. Disney wasted an opportunity with original actors. Luke, Leia and Han could’ve been the focal point as they should’ve.

Sometimes the bottom line isn’t the most important line. But I’m sure the executives at Disney will spread their own disinformation to explain their incorrect beliefs. and the defenders of tlj will twist the truth to suit their needs.

I hope this post doesn’t get removed. Im not purposely trying to be a prick. But I do think the boycotters/haters/dislikers had ever right to feel the way they did about tlj, cause it was not my Luke.

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Have you read any of the EU books? If you were a fan of the EU I doubt that you would’ve been bored.

Actually, I don’t think you are a Star Wars fan. It’s a stand alone film that tells a story that plays a vital role in how the rebellion scored a major victory. I think rogue 1 is one of the best Star Wars stories ever.

 

4 things:
1) You don't decide who a fan is.
2) I am a Star Wars customer as well and I love the ST - all three films.
3) I don't care about the EU, tried it, didn't like it, never will, not interested. Cool if you are. Get your game on how you want.
4) Take your hate banter somewhere else please. This is a thread on box office tracking of TROS. Not griping about Disney and telling people they aren't Star Wars fans.

May the Force be with you.

Cheers,
Jayson

 

You’re right I don’t decide who a Star Wars fans is. But how you reacted to my post is how Disney and other fans reacted to my opinion of tlj and many other fans beliefs of tlj.

maybe more thought a care should be used when continuing a story. Maybe

 

I still don't take the boycott seriously. The Rise of Skywalker did massive business the first two weeks. Which doesn't indicate a boycott. The long term legs of a film are totally dependent on word of mouth and TROS doesn't have the word of mouth to sustain. So your attempt at "I told you so" kind of falls flat. Sorry you didn't like TLJ.

Deadline posted them the opening weekend. You can go back and compare it to TFA/Solo/TLJ. Cinemascore is one, but the other trackers were down as well.

 

Also I can’t take my apparent hate banter anywhere. This site has suppressed free speech and ended the “for those who hated tlj thread” maybe if this site embraced reality and welcomed all opinions and didn’t suppress all negative opinions I would’ve found a better thread. Up to now I’ve had 0 negative ratings. I’ve tried to be peaceful. I’m not a bot or a russian troll. I’m a fan that hasn’t been taken seriously because of right wing extremists. And executive producers who expect fans to comply with their ideas. I’m a fan that is told to conform to what I believe is an abomination to the story of Luke skywalker. Well I’ve had enough of being polite and understanding.
Now that I think of it I do feel vindicated. If Disney would’ve not taken Star Wars fans for granted, we wouldn’t be in this mess. This movie should’ve made 2 billion by now. I used to spend over $200 to watch Star Wars movies multiple times during the PT. There’s a lot of people that think the way I do.

Keep making excuses as to why the numbers are not what they should be. But numbers don’t lie. This ST was a fail.

 

Wherever the place is, it is definitely not this thread.

Cheers,
Jayson