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BREAKING: Gina Carano Fired By Disney/Lucasfilm; Future With Star Wars Is Over

Discussion in 'SWNN News Feed' started by SWNN Probe, Feb 11, 2021.

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    Just waiting for the follow-up interview between Drunk3po and Gina LOL.
     
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    Sure... but for a television show, being in less than 50% of the episodes in seasons that you're present for definitely is side character material.

    Don't get me wrong, Cara was good, and it's a shame Gina's actions ruined this strong female character. But does she really have an unresolved arc going forward? I feel like it wouldn't be all that odd if she disappeared from the show.

    What's the proper context for mocking pronoun use, spreading anti-vax conspiracy theories during a pandemic, denying said pandemic, embracing problematic YouTubers who mock your co-stars, etc?
     
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    Honestly, I feel like she should have been able to say all of that, except for the virus. Free speech unless it endangers lives.
     
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    Great.

    She wasn't arrested or sued, nor was this a legal process. Disney's a private company, so freedom of speech isn't really relevant in this discussion.
     
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    It actually is....you see, the problem is that there was a time when one could state their opinions away from work, and if the employer had any reason to speak up they would publicly state something to the affect of: "Gina's statements and personal views do not reflect that of the beliefs of XX company", and it was over, and like I said above, if this type of thing was universal to everyone in Hollywood or anywhere else, it'd come to a screeching halt...and it needs to...because people have opinions about everything, and it's sad that people face unemployment because some in the Twitterverse didn't like it.
    It needs to end...
     
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    Drunk3PO is great, last night he did a charity livestream and raised over 30k for an especially worthy cause, I believe Gina was involved in organising the whole thing.
     
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    No this isn't a free speech issue.
    She is free to say whatever she wants.
    She is not free from consequences of her words.

    When the government comes in and says she can't say that, we can talk free speech.
    Outside of that, it is NOT a free speech issue.

    Yes and notice how someone like Chris Pratt hasn't been fired despite having more conservative views?
    Because he isn't being a complete ass about it. Gina was clearly given chances to get her blast right and she outright refused.
     
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    When you enter into an arrangement this high profile within a hugely visible property, you are accepting the role of ambassador for the brand. The concept is commonly referred to as a ‘morality clause’ in contract stipulations. Your statements and actions can be interpreted as reflective of the brand you’re representing.

    If those statements or actions can be interpreted as potentially harmful to the brand’s reputation, then termination is justified. That’s just how the business works. It’s nothing new. Carano surely would have been made fully aware of this from the start.
     
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    I guess you didn't read my post properly. I agree she messed up and shouldn't have said that stuff just because she has a right to free speech. When I said "culture culture" like that it was because that's what some people call it
     
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    Well Royle, I really wasn't alluding to anything about "free speech" so try not to put words in my mouth. My statement was moreso about the fact that the skin of society seems to be getting thinner by the day, and it's a slippery path that we're going down right now...so where does it end??
     
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    "Thinner"? Bruh, she compared her suppression to the Holocaust. In her eyes she saw herself as Jewish. Again, this isn't just one time slip up either. She has had multiple times to apologize and move on. Yet, she doubled down on each one. So as far as I'm concerned, Disney gave her every opportunity to save her job.
     
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    You're literally objecting to cawa's post saying it isn't a free speech issue. How the blue balls is that not alluding to free speech?
    Thin skin. Thinking everyone has value. Yeah I can totally see how that's thin skinned. :rolleyes:

    It really isn't that slippery of a path.
    Don't be an Peedunky and you won't get in trouble. Seems easy.
    Being an Peedunky includes:
    engaging in dangerous conspiracy theory peddling.
    supporting a violent insurrection attempt.
    comparing yourself to a Jewish person in the Holocaust because people don't like your dumb twitter posts.
    mocking people because of how they identify when the lead of your show specifically asks you not to.

    You know. Doesn't really seem that slippery to me.
    Notice how when Letitia Wright went on a crazy anti-vax thing, that blast got taken down super fast and she shut the hell up and didn't just magically lose her job?
    Gina was given chances. She was clearly warned. She didn't care. She wanted it to happen at this point.
     
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    This is ultimately the problem. Most people aren't concerned with whether or not companies are allowed to fire people for what they say, people are concerned with whether or not companies SHOULD fire people for what they say. Andd that is not to say there is never a reason to be fired for what you say, but we seem to be seeing more and more people being fired for smaller and smaller things. I'm not saying this is one of those smaller and smaller cases, but I just want to clear up some of the discussion people are having regarding "free speech". I don't want to live in a society where one wrong, truly unintentionally bad tweet can cost us our jobs, but we seem to be moving in a direction where that is more and more acceptable.
     
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    "But keep politics out of Star Wars!"
     
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    I'm honestly not trying to be a pot-stirrer, but in reading through the proceeding page or so of posts (after mine) it's unclear to me where "politics" does or does not apply. I mean, I've seen a couple posts that allude to a more political bent or language than mine. And unfortunately politics is an underlying thread at the heart of this entire mess. It's hard to have a nuanced conversation that doesn't, in some way, dip a toe into it.

    Again, not trying to be a pain. I think I've gotten along well with everyone here in the past and it's not my intent to do otherwise now.
     
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    She didn't say that puppies sucked or that pink is the worst Starburst flavor, she said things that actually hurt people... a lot of people. Whether it be about their race, their gender, or downplaying a disease that has cost millions of people their lives and has negatively impacted the lives of hundreds of millions. The fact that nothing was done about this stuff previously is an indictment on the past, not the present.
     
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    Oh for crying out loud, dudes..."Bruh's"....LOOK, those things are all her OPINION on world and societal issues....So freaking what...change the channel, geezus...

    She isn't a believer in the pandemic..cool.

    ...or the mask...far out.

    ..NOR the vaccine...don't take it.

    ...AND the thinks that the "Preferred pronoun" topic is ridiculous...whatever.

    Ya know, good for her, so be it, I guess....everybody believes something, but let's all call her a Peedunky because she doesn't believe in something that YOU believe...right...perfect.

    Everybody has to be someone, and believe in something, but when I PERSONALLY don't like something, I don't listen...I don't look...or I just walk away, but I don't go on firing campaigns because I think what you're saying is idiotic or "hurtful"...I ignore you.

    It's just weird...
     
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    There is a difference between free speech and say speech that can harm people. Free speech only protects you from being thrown in jail. It doesn't say anything about your job. Also, Disney gave every opportunity for her to apologize. This was probably the final straw.
     
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    You're not being a pain, don't worry. Considering everything that has followed, your post was probably one of the slightest offenders. Unfortunately I haven't been able to stay on and keep up with the ensuing mess.

    .... not sure exactly what you are trying to accomplish here, because if you're arguing for politics it would seem you just made a pretty good case against it. Or, would you prefer we stoop to the levels of all those other trash mongering sites and channels?

    In case you haven't noticed, there is something that sets us apart from the rest of the Star Wars fan sites. I know there are gripes about "but why can't we talk about this stuff?" Well. This thread is exactly why. This is what turns people off from social media and online communities and, in my opinion, is what many people are trying to escape more than anything when they show up at our door and end up sticking around for extended periods.

    Please, let's ALL dial it back a bit.
    Everyone is right, and everyone is wrong. Let's not have anyone fall into the same traps that got this whole mess started in the first place.
     
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