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SPOILER Brothers of the broken horn

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Rebels' started by alex, Nov 5, 2015.

  1. alex

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    This episode was pretty straightforward so I'll just use a few bullet points again.
    I liked:
    *Bringing back Vizago and the favor. Tying Hando and Azmorrigan into it makes the universe seem like is is building a coherent mythology.

    missed opportunity/minor issues:
    *Where the heck are wolfe and Gregor? I don't mind that they aren't around, but they really needed a sentence or two telling the audience where they are, either in this episode or the last.

    *they set up a moment when Ezra gives chopper the droid remote control but it doesn't really pay off. When Ezra says into the mic, "I wish we had back up" this would have been a great opportunity to use this remote to help say the day.

    *The rebels needed power cells and they just happened to be on vizago's ship.

    Thing I hated
    * Copper coming in on his middle wheel, guns blazing. If he could do this, why wasn't it ever done before? They make it seem like would be more effective in a fight than Sabine, Hera and Zeb combined.

    edit: How did chopper even pull the triggers? His claw doesn't seem to have the digits required.
     
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    Since we don't have that connection to Gregor and Wolffe, or at least not as strong of one, I just assumed they were off helping the Rebellion while Rex stayed with that specific crew. Agreed about the remote part.

    I loved that scene! It was hilarious and 100% Chopper through and through. I don't think we see it more often because A) it's not very effective (he barely took down one person using it (although considering how sociopathic Chopper can be, that may or may not have been on purpose) and B) Chopper's usually not given the chance to pull off something like that. He usually helps out with escapes, mechanical problems, or infiltration missions.

    Overall I really liked the episode, but I think if the point was to show Ezra wanting to get away from it all, maybe another sentence about it might have helped? But at the end when he's talking to Kanan - I got all giddy because Kanan just gives Ezra the "I know what you're going through 'cause I've been there too and you came out of it far better than I did so I'm proud of you" look, and it feels awesome if you read the Kanan comics too (and A New Dawn as well).
     
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    Also chopper was firing love shots randomly only hit with stun,.. Droid programming or Disney
     
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    I dont think its really wise to paint how many Imperial ties youve destroyed on the outside of your ship

    As Han says- even HE gets boarded sometimes.
    They have shown in the past they try to mask the Ghost's identity when dealing with imperials

    >_>
     
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    Yea
    I thought that too,.. Rebel fighter makes sense, as a smuggler, not so much.
     
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    Great catch. Although the trivia gallery makes it seem like it might just be the same model ship. http://www.starwars.com/tv-shows/star-wars-rebels/brothers-of-the-broken-horn-trivia-gallery

    I love this detail so much. I can totally see Lando stealing Azmorrigan's ship and renaming it :)

    The gregor/wolfe issue isn't a problem with this episode per se, but we didn't see then during the Rex/Ashoka scene, or ever again. Someone complained about it a few episodes back, and I ignored it because I thought It'd be followed up on. Did they even join the rebellion? Why would they split up from Rex?

    Lol, excellent point.
     
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    I agree with all that has been said:
    • TIE fighter markings is just not smart
    • Where the heck are Gregor & Wolfe?
    Also,
    • I love how they intertwined all of the known scoundrels from the show into one scenario - Vizago, Azmorigan, Hondo, and even Ezra and "Lando". It did seem a little too fast paced, not really giving Ezra room to dwell on whether to run away or not. It was a cool back-and-forth as he was in the middle of overlapping deals with both Hondo and Vizago, and impressive how well he juggled it , but afterward it felt like it was a great scenario that was rushed along a little too quickly (but I realize that is a nitpick).

    • I like how Hondo responded to Ezra being a Jedi, and his fondness for them. One of the greatest things Hondo's character has done is really shown the audience how rogue or swashbuckling the Jedi really were, even though their trappings were much more stoic. Not only did he have a sense of respect and awe for their abilities, he also recognized they are more like him than they want to admit

    • I'm not liking the long chin-horns on Hondo. Very distracting. Maybe it's part of aging for his species, but just seemed odd.

    • I do like how Hondo seemed a bit off his game - somewhat past his prime. As if he is trying to be as slick as he used to be, but doesn't QUITE have it together as much anymore and has to rely on his charm and dumb luck a bit more than in the past. Azmorigan knows this, and took verbal shots at him accordingly, but Hondo still got the last laugh, "Come now, let's leave your wife out of this..."

    • "Ah, the stories I could tell...so many of them true..." was just one of the many great lines from Hondo. Again, his lines and his attitude had a different tone, somewhat tempered by his age, but were still very Hondo.

    • The closeup angle of Azmorigan using his pistol was goofy, but pitch perfect for his character - tiny pistol with a wimpy sound, held with T-Rex like bent arms. Comedic yes, but perfectly done.
     
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    I love your analysis, you always pick up on a few things I didn't notice.

    1) I think on the surface this episode was about Ezra's struggle about what he wants to become, but underneath it was a way to leverage the underworld players to make Rebels feel like it is in the same universe as Clone wars. Not only is the show great, but now it is more solidly tied into the larger, also awesome universe.

    2) Great point. I rarely rewatch anything, but from google images Hondo had face horns only on the side of his face in clone wars, but now they are almost exclusively out of the bottom of his chin. Most Weequay seem to have no horns, so it isn't indicative of his species. This is just super weird.
     
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    Disney programming. :p
     
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    I liked the episode. Hondo talking about being friend with a Jedi ("I think we were friends") made me smile. I always liked Hondo & Kenobi together and Hondo & Ezra aren't bad either.

    Hondo had the best lines (the one about the wife was hilarious). He will surely return to the show. :)

    Also, as crazy as he is, Chopper is beginning to save the day as often as R2.
     
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    Quite possibly both, but most definitely because we're not done with Azmorigan.
     
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    Just wanted to jump in here to say that I'm really enjoying the direction that Filoni is taking with Ezra's relationship with Kanan. Ezra is finding that it's up to him to decide what he wants for himself, and not for others to decide for him. But on the other hand, he's also learning that there are people out there (i.e., Kanan, Hera and Rex) who have experience and wisdom he can learn from. I'm hoping that this dynamic, along with exploring each crew members' backgrounds keeps drawing viewers. I'd like to see Rebels on TV for some time.
     
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    The fun factor was certainly front and present for this episode. With a larger number of episodes on the docket this year, it's clear that we can expect more episodes like this, where 1 or 2 of our heroes go off on their own adventure while the rest of the crew is largely absent.

    Hondo's presence was extremely entertaining, largely in part to his hysterical one-liners, but this was an episode where Ezra got a long awaited chance to shine. In most battle situations in the show thus far, he has been relegated to a bit player, which is to be expected as the apprentice Jedi of a half-trained apprentice Jedi. But in this episode, Ezra got to flex his muscle, showing both brains in his dealings with Hondo and Vizhago, and brawn in taking on both Azmorigan and Vizhago's crews. The way he jumped and flipped around, spun his lightsaber deftly, and even used the Force correctly on occasion showed a level of competence we haven't gotten to see out of Ezra to this stage in the game.

    It was a stark contrast to how he was feeling mentally. Rex and Kanan's relationship is pulling him in a couple of different directions, neither of which he was particularly enjoying. And then Hera adds the finger-wagging-mother-do-your-chores bit to cap it all off. Going out for a bit of a joyride was exactly what Ezra needed to do, and it brought him some clarity at the end of the day. Even though his chores and training can get wearisome, he loves and respects his newfound family enough to swallow his roguish pride and get on with it. I was also impressed with Kanan's extremely relaxed attitude to what Ezra had gotten himself into. I feel like this is something Kanan would have lectured him over last season, but it seems he's growing a bit as a teacher as well, recognizing that Ezra needs to trip and skin his knees and rebel a bit.

    Top Hondo-isms of the episode for me;

    "Oh the stories I could tell, and so many of them true..."

    "Now, now, let's leave your wife out of this..."

    "I'M RICH!....I'M DEAD!"
     
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    What a great analyst of this episode, i really felt that Kanan knew he had to allow Erza to find his path of which way he wanted and that is why Kanan wasn't that hard on him, knowing that. You brought up so many good points, i cant even add anything.

    One thing many are not bringing up, is it just me or is Erza really coming into his powers and say that in part to what and how he used his powers in this latest episode? He seems to be able to focus more when he is under stress of a situation, vs. training in a traditional manner and Kanan might need to figure that out. He seems almost to powerful in the way of the Force, far ahead of Kanan, just untrained. Also when Erza and Kanan went into that cave last season and Kanan had a discussion with Yoda, stating that he wasn't sure he could train him as he is having a hard time keeping up with his abilities is becoming apparent. I also think that this episode sets up the dangers that are coming, we know that Ezra is going to have to deal with the issue of his parents, the same way Anakin went and why so many think that he will toy with the dark side as he already did in last season when it took over that beast to save Kanan. Kanan stopped training at 15yrs old when Order 66 occurred, what ordeal or path pushed him away from the force that Kanan mentions it a lot, is he really the best person to be really training Erza? If anyone at this point is close to being a full Jedi, it would be Ashoka, she was a commander, well versed in Jedi training and a veteran of the clone ways. Id like to see something like that explored further, perhaps we will see it. At this stage it seems at times Kanan and Erza are learning together about the Force.
     
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    Well said. Spot on.
     
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    I'm not sure I agree. He seems to only get powerful burst of force potential when he taps into his emotions on an instinctual level. He isn't normally very powerful, but think back to season 1, when he saves Zeb. He does one hell of a force push as a reaction to Zeb predicament.

    Similarly, I don't think Ezra could normally use telekinesis so well, he could only do it as a spur of the moment thing to save Hondo.
     
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    Very true, i had forgotten about last season and he does seem to channel his Force Usage through his emotions and his instinct.
     
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    Sounds a little like what a dark side force user would do...hrm.....
     
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    Yeah, I really felt like we were set up to have Chopper lead the droids to the rescue, or something. Could have been scuttled in the writers' room in order to give more development to Ezra and/or give more time to Hondo, who was nicely used in this episode.

    Even in this more contained episodes, the show's doing a fine job of developing the characters. Looking forward to more growth and backstory with Hera and Sabine.

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