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Cameron Steps in it

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Talon Karrde, Jun 29, 2016.

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Do you think James Cameron is saying this because:

  1. Angry at TFA destroying his domoestic box records

    2 vote(s)
    18.2%
  2. Angry at Star Wars squatting on his Christmas release slot

    5 vote(s)
    45.5%
  3. Angry at the lack of a one-dimensional ignorant capitalist as the main villian

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. He's actually conveying to us what George thinks of TFA

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    9.1%
  5. He's sincerely motivated to critique the film

    2 vote(s)
    18.2%
  6. He actually thinks orange plants are the reason he still tops the global box

    1 vote(s)
    9.1%
  1. Talon Karrde

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    Ok, so looking on Drudge this morning I find this:
    http://www.express.co.uk/entertainm...Awakens-George-Lucas-JJ-Abrams-Titanic-Avatar

    Looks like somebody's angry about losing his Christmas slots.. for the next five years.:p Should've got that Avatar sequel done sooner, James.:cool:

    “George Lucas is a friend of mine, and he and I were having a good conversation the other day about it."
    And it looks like someone else is angry too...;)

    “I have to say that I felt that George’s group of six films had more innovative visual imagination.

    “This film was more of a retrenchment to things you had seen before and characters you have seen before and it took a few baby steps forward with new characters.

    “So for me, the jury’s out. I want to see where they’re going with it.”

    Italics are mine. See the videos below if you have no idea whatsoever why I italicized these statements.



    So what do you guys think. Is 'the pot' calling 'the kettle' black? Is James Cameron actually relaying what Lucas thinks of TFA? Should every Star Wars film have orange plants that spray mystical blue sparkles so we're visually reassured that their galaxy isn't 'small'?:rolleyes:
     
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    Go make another Fern Gully/Pocahontas/Romeo and Juliet with blue aliens and let all the gullible knuckleheads praise you for it Jimbo.

    Star Wars > Everything else

    (crossguard)(blue)(crossguard)(blue)
     
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    He wants to see where it goes. I think they may be taking it out of context. However, he has taken a few major dumps himself and called them movies.
     
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    About James's comments: He's Absolutely Right.gif . .
     
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    It was a retrenchment of characters we've known before... and it did take baby steps forward, both of those things were by design. Wanted the new installment of movies to connect with the previous trilogies, and there's only so much back development you can do when merging a new story line with an old storyline and filling in the gap that happened in between. We'll learn more about Finn, Rey, Kylo, and Poe in coming movies. I don't see this as a criticism (if it was meant as one).
     
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    While I like TFA, I'm afraid he's right. The movie really lacks imagination and freshness. The movie is more or less boring visually. This movie really doesn't offer anything NEW to the saga. Hopefully Rian Johnson can shake things up a bit with Ep. 8. Hopefully.
     
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    I agree with Cameron. TFA did lack imagination. It is still a very entertaining movie though.
     
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    "Everyone's a critic"
     
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    I wouldn't disagree with Cameron's assessment of TFA, but SW has always been about the characters to me. SW movies have always followed a similar plot (even Lucas purposely filmed similar scenes in the PT/OT to mirror them). We had Death Star 2 in ROTJ, we had the Droid Ship in TPM and now Starkiller Base in TFA, so I don't how Mr. Cameron is suddenly mad about a plot point that has been used in 4 of the 7 movies? We have Luke, Anakin and Rey being found on a Desert Planet. We have Luke and Anakin lose limbs in the 2nd movie of each trilogy. We have an asteroid chase in ESB & AOTC. I fairness to Lucas and JJ, there are only so many things you can do in these movies to keep them original.

    To get to my main point, what sells SW is the characters and their personal story. I can say for myself that what keeps me a fan of the OT almost 40 years later is Luke, Leia and Han. What keeps me from being a fan of the PT is Anakin & Padme. What made me a fan of the ST and pysched for Episode 8 is Rey, Finn and Poe. The story has always been backround music to me, and that is why I never got hung up on the little plot points that fans constantly bicker about. The characters are what drive the story for me, the characters drive the drama, the characters drive the humor, thats really what sells me on SW.

    So I don't disagree with Mr. Cameron's assessment, but I think he and many other TFA detractors are watching TFA differently then I am.
     
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    This pretty much, I'm not even starting to analyze where he borrowed from his WHOLE career, just because their are some good movies in his portfolio. If I want so strt nitpicking, I will find something. They funniest thing about some fans is, that I still remeber the speculation around some plot points, and none of those guys predicted the final result. TFA was a nice addition to Star Wars without over relying on visuals with glittering plants or multicolored beasts with horns all over the body.
    We shouldn't remeber the times before the first trailer hit, when we did not know how it all ends at the boxoffice, on the way TFA must have done something very right, so right that Mr Cameron moved his 2nd Pandora movie out of the way.
     
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    As much as I love T2, it is very much a retread of The Original Terminator, so that is why I think Cameron is being abit hypocritical. T1 & T2 have 2 people sent back in time to protect and kill Sarah Connor in T1 and then John Connor in T2. It's starts out with a big chase scene in the first half of the movie, then slows down in the middle part where you get exposition as to what happened in the past that brought these Terminators here to the future, then you have a big finale set piece. I say this as a huge T2 fan, but it really wasn't the most original movie.
     
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    This is a great point. For all the people out there claiming TFA was unoriginal or not creative, why weren't we able to get so much more of it right with speculation then? Yes there were some story elements that were reminiscent of other SW movies but its the first SW movie in a long time and there is a new generation of young fans who needed to understand what was happening while still pleasing the old fans. This is something us already life long fans overlook. These movies aren't just for us. We cant be bullies and think " this is no good because it isn't enough like the OT is this way" or "this isn't original enough its like that moment in this OT movie". NEW fans are learning this franchise. The movies have to appeal to everyone. At least there are no goofy aliens doing extremely unnecessary things. Was that more creative? Was 35 minutes of senate scenes or trade federation talk more creative? If you don't like it invent a time machine and go back to 1977 and re-watch the first one and make sure you take Cameron with you. Maybe he can come up with something more creative for Avatar this time around..
     
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    "Freshness".. okay, that's honestly one I haven't heard before.:confused:
    Could you elaborate on what you mean by this.
     
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    Smartest thing he said was wait and see where it goes....

    and he doesn't even know about the force trees, yet.

    Or, does he?
    ;)

    If Snoke is as old as the force The Ancient Fear

    & The Chosen One Rey has been reincarnated ad nauseum,

    then Disney is rebooting the entire saga.
     
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