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Can TROS measure up to Endgame?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Adam812, May 2, 2019.

  1. Adam812

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    This is an exciting year. We are getting epic conclusions to two mega franchises. Avengers Endgame
    knocked it out of the park. Rise of the Skywalker has a tough act to follow. Can we expect it the same level of awesomeness from the Star Wars' finale? Or better?
     
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    You mean TROS?

    I just hope JJ end this trilogy as he started: with a great job.
     
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    I'll be honest. I'm not a Marvel fan. At all.

    For me, Endgame was largely entertaining, but certainly not deserving of all the hype.

    If JJ can't top Endgame, we're in trouble.
     
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    That depends on how you look at it!

    Financially - Nope. Endgame will most likely be the biggest film of the year. I doubt TRoS will catch up with it.

    Story - Yes. I think Episode IX has the potential to be a better and more compelling story! Then again, I am a biased Star Wars fan ;)
     
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    I grew up enjoying Thor, Cap and Spiderman before these movies. I think these movies did them justice and RDJ got me invested in Iron man, and further stories in Black Widow, Hawkeye, the GotG and more.

    I wouldn't say for me they equaled Luke and the OT crew, but watching my son's reaction, they certainly did for him. So as a father, I got even more invested through his eyes and enthusiasm. It was a bonding experience on top of being a decent story with a pretty long arc.

    I haven't seen Endgame yet, I worked last weekend and I get my son this week... watching it Friday. I've managed to avoid spoilers so far, as has my son, for the most part lol. From the non spoiler reviews and impressions I've heard, I expect we'll be largely satisfied.

    I guess for me SW is largely fighting on an unequal battle ground, my son never got into SW. I introduced him to SW at 4 and maybe that was a mistake, he never got into it. I followed with the PT around 5 and still no dice. He didn't mind TFA but was far from passionate about it. He dislikes TLJ more than I do and has lost all his mojo for SW. He's 10 now and I don't expect him to be a big SW fan moving forward.

    For me, personally, the answer is no. Movies are often a shared experience, and no one I know personally love the ST. Almost to a man, people I know feel TLJ jumped the shark. Will I watch it? Eventually, but seeing that I've waited this long for Endgame, I have nothing and nobody enticing me to go watch TRoS. I guess the best thing it has going for it is that I have rock bottom expectations.

    I mean, I had no expectations for Batman Begins and I loved it and I feel about just as excited about EpIX as I did that. I think JJ can elevate the ST through this, but I don't think he can make it match the previous two trilogies. Not for me anyways. Add that I'm not going to get surprised by this movie as I'll watch every spoiler I can get my hands on and I'll know about the whole movie before watching it, that will diminish whatever JJ does but is a direct result of TLJ's effect and impression on me.

    I think the SW story is deeper until it gets to the ST. That's just how I feel. Marvel is far from perfect, but it feels like it's a cohesive vision culminating honestly with Endgame. SW and the ST feels like it's a new take on SW, rudderless and trying hard to redefine itself and for me is mostly failing and flailing about trying to strike a nerve without a real plan or idea. SW had it harder, because it had a conclusion, then it had to get fans to buy in that it wasn't a conclusion. For Marvel, this is their RotJ, for SW, this is phase 5 or its equivalent. Worse, it isn't done with the same man's vision a the helm while Feige will likely still be in charge with Marvel moving forward.

    I don't think Marvel will try and undo what has been done in phase 5, it will add upon it. The ST isn't trying to add upon the previous trilogies, it's trying to change our perception of the old. You really need to buy into that concept, and for some fans, the instinct is to resist, and that's when we start to analyze and the story falls apart. Marvel is mainstream, continuous (no decades gaps in between) and consistent, where SW isn't. It's the telling of one story with Endgame being the culmination. TRoS is a reinvented culmination and that very reinvention will lose some fans, regardless of the quality of this trilogy. It could have been perfect and it would have lost some, and it wasn't perfect.

    Anyways, that's my personal opinion, if starting every paragraph with "I" wasn't indication enough lol. I think for those who love the ST it will absolutely surpass Endgame, because SW is a deeper story at its core. My perception is that even among those who accept the ST, some see and feel a money grabbiness to it. Love/Hate isn't nuanced enough when talking about the ST, it's intricately multi-varied and nuanced. Marvel's Endgame is a simple story with a lot of individual personal stories told in detail, but in a simple fashion, that's culminating naturally. We're not forced to experience it through a single characters eyes, but can experience it through many of their pov. I for one hope that everyone who enjoys the ST gets everything they want out of TRoS. I'm a little jealous, because for them, they'll have two Endgame's this year to my one.
     
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    Yes. Endgame was pants.
     
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    Yes, I enjoyed Revenge of the Sith more than Endgame because I'm not a Marvel geek. :p
     
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    They're such different movies, though.

    Endgame is 100% fan service (and I honestly don't think that's a bad thing). Audiences might see "character x" for all of five seconds, but it's memorable and there are like 500 other characters sharing the screen so it feels like an event. I think Endgame did a great job of actually having a pretty compelling story and a pretty well crafted film (when it honestly didn't really need to be one), but it's clear that a lot of the hype around the film is just around its bombastic nature.

    The Last Jedi is likely not going to have quite the same "oh hey, it's that guy" plethora of moments, but when it does have them they'll almost certainly be deeper. Like, I wouldn't expect to see Captain Rex or Cad Bane chilling with Qi'ra, but I think we'll still get a satisfying ending that ties the series together nicely.
     
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    Besides the Disney connection this is an apples and oranges situation. I think both films will be top 5 grossing movies of all time before it's over. Endgame should crack Top 5 this week I think.
     
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    I'm a true blue Star Wars fan, but this is a hard comparison.

    Endgame was truly unique. We've followed the same characters for 11 solid years and we got one big finale.

    TROS has the potential to be a really great film. But even if, in terms of quality, it's just as good as Endgame, it's hard to imagine the impact will match Endgame's impact. The Star Wars fanbase is just too divided. It doesn't matter what JJ puts on screen, a huge section of fans will hate it on principle.

    Endgame united an entire fanbase in celebration. I don't think any Star Wars movie has the power to do that at this moment.

    I don't mean to be pessimistic. I actually feel pretty sad as I write this, because I just really think it's true. Even though I really like the sequels, it's hard to sit down in a new Star Wars movie and not worry about all the negative backlash every decision might receive.
     
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    Financially? When Mustafar freezes over. Marvel has had buildup over time and over 22 movies. The cultural impact is current. Fandom huge. I know people don't want to hear this, but Star Wars fandom is much smaller and fandoms drive the hype for the general audiences.

    Story wise? Yes, it could and it could potentially surpass it as J.J. and Terrio have less, faaar less characters to deal with.

    We'll see, I don't need an Endgame, just give us good movie, that's all I need.
     
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    I'll be surprised if TROS makes more money. That's just the international box office reality and I don't really care about that. Story wise? Yeah, there's a change to episode IX to be a better story. This saga's story is already more interesting than Endgame which had a rather predictable outcome. The Rise of Skywalker is much more of an end that Endgame with it's laundry list of characters we know are coming back.
     
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    It makes me wonder why Disney bought Star Wars just to "end" the Episode films. Nobody before Disney called them the "Skywalker saga". To me the Skywalkers are the center of it, but they aren't just about Skywalker blood. It would be very easy to gradually transition rather than start all over. We could easily be following Rey, Poe, and Finn with added characters and old cameos from OT characters for another 10 years.
     
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    Would be pretty easy to live up to it from a story standpoint. Financially no chance in hell. International markets place Star Wars at a pretty big disadvantage in that area.
     
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    The Rise of Skywalker does not need to measure up. The two don’t need to be compared.
     
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    Financially, no way. Story wise, I hope it does better. With the flak received from TLJ I hope JJ and his team are pulling out all the stops to make TROS the best SW film to date.
     
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    If J.J. has cooked up a great story for the ending of this saga then possibly. I think it will do pretty well. But it doesn't have to stack up to Avengers or any of the other movies
     
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    I don't think it really matters, frankly. With the right marketing push, it'll be just as successful.

    Keep Kylo Ren a mystery until the last trailer. I don't want to hear his voice at all.

    Honestly, Rey's flip was the smartest thing JJ could have done. It gives this movie a sense of wonder and excitement. We're going to see things we've only dreamed of. Revealing Palpatine first was also smart. JJ learned from his Khan mistake. I think it'll be a cultural experience as well. Even if you don't like The Last Jedi, this is the end of a 40 year run. We all have to know.

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    Oops. Wrong acronym. It’s too similar to Revenge of the Sith
    --- Double Post Merged, May 2, 2019, Original Post Date: May 2, 2019 ---
    True. I believe Star Wars had its hey day back in the 70’s and 80’s. The MCU is in its hey day right now. Star Wars is struggling to recapture it’s former glory for both old and new generations. The MCU is basking in glory.
    But I am still hoping for an awesome movie with TROS.
    As I watched the climax for Endgame, I wondered if TROS could do something similar.
     
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    I'm sorry, but without asking google, what does that even mean?
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    I've only watched the first and third Iron man. I barely know what Endgame is....as a matter of fact, I don't know anything at all about it.
     
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