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Can TROS measure up to Endgame?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Adam812, May 2, 2019.

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    TROS has no chance of beating Endgame at the box office (international or domestic). For one MCU is working from a story line that was immensely popular among core fans in comic books. They also handled ensemble casts in a way that has unified fans of the individual characters. Each character feels meaningful and connected regardless of their individual contribution in the movie. And this is true in part because they had a HUGE advantage in bandwidth to develop them (22 movies vs 2) And IW provided a much stronger spring board than TLJ is going to provide for TROS. You honestly should not expect to see the same numbers between these movies. Thus when TROS falls below EG it won't necessarily be an indication of failure.
     
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    I think you will likely get an awesome movie. While I agree that the Marvel franchise is more popular at this time, SW is still very popular and is drawing in new fans. Considering it is 40 years old and still as popular as it is shows the legs this franchise has. I would be willing to bet that in 30 years, people will not be as crazy about the Marvel movies of today like SW fans are today.
     
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    Depends on the Trailers. They got a get people excited.
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    I think JJ took it seriously this round and believe he did his best so I am hopeful. I think he might have dug into some books, animated series, Lucas main Saga themes and background. You can tell neither he nor Rian took the time to do that deeply in first two movies.
     
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    If "measure up" is meaning ratings-wise, sure. Box office-wise, sure. Anything is possible. Story-wise? Well, let me put it this way...

    Like ten minutes into Endgame, we've got a conversation. Where's Thanos? Don't know. We got a plan? Don't know where he is. Where you going? To get Thanos. Where's he at? Don't know. I know. Where? The garden. Where's that? Then the raccoon reveals, hey, some time ago there was power signature on this planet that matches the signature of the Infinity Gauntlet. Right? Like, no one knew this but him? And he, what? Kept this vital information a secret until right now. How does this make sense?

    Why do we not either remove that from the narrative, and just have Nebula bring up the planet and say "This is where he is"? Or why don't we begin the scene with the matching signature suddenly being reported as having just happened. Then we have Nebula say "That's the garden he always wanted to which he wanted to retire" and Captain Marvel "Let's go get him" and there you go, makes sense. But they wrote the scene in a way that's nonsensical.

    This goes on through the entire movie. I mean, I liked it. I liked the heart of the story. But the brains were just, non-existant. And if the past becomes your future, and the future your past - does messing with the future change the past? Okay I get it, it's time travel just, don't think about it. But even launching that out of the picture for sake of a headache...

    Hey we only got a specific supply of Pym particles. Okay so your first and easiest objective is to just go get more Pym particles, right? Gives you as many do-overs as you're wanting. But nope. No. But Gamora was sacrified for the soul stone, but you brought her back. And now you're upset about Black Widow. But... Pym is back from the snap. Get Pym particles, go back to the day before Black Widow died - bring her back. Right? I mean, you're all death proof now. No. Nope.

    Okay but, Doctor Strange tells Tony he can't tell him what to do or else it won't happen. But, that's not true because that's how instructions work. You tell someone what to do, and they do it. But anyway, Strange holds up his finger eventually. Telling Iron Man, what to do. Now, you're wanting to keep the gauntlet from Thanos so you skim across the ground. Captain Marvel, who can fly way up in the air, even into space - skims across the ground. And why is it Iron Man in the end? If Captain Marvel is carrying the gauntlet, isn't she a better candidate for putting on the gauntlet and snapping? And, do we really need to snap to use the gauntlet? What's up with this whole "I got to snap my fingers" can we not just, turn everyone to ribbons with a wave of the hand? It's all like, how contrived can contrived become if we push contrivance beyond the limits of contrivancation (just made that word up, had to).

    I goes on and on but let me just say:

    Pepper Potts. Is like, a veteran fighter now? She doesn't have the force or something, right? Everyone survives the epic battle, even the normal people shooting guns. And the reviews are in: a near-perfect... movie. But TLJ, has legitimate problems because... Rose is a crappy character.

    The point being this: if TROS can't measure up to, not to mention excel, Endgame story-wise? Wow. What's my reaction when a man five-foot tall can't clear a one-foot tall hurdle? Because that's what it is.

    I mean, again, I liked Endgame. It's just like; hmmm...
     
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    I corrected the title.
     
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    Box office? No way, because China hates SW and loves MCU......quality of the movie? Definitely
     
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    For me, its like comparing apples and oranges. They are both great, both have different fans. I don't believe it has to live up to anything other than itself.
     
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    Apples to oranges. I'm not a huge Marvel fan, but I have a friend who is and we were talking about this the other day. He said Marvel is the biggest franchise right now, like Lord of the Rings was during the PT, but there's a reason Star Wars has lasted this long and doesn't show signs of stopping any time soon (D&D trilogy, RJ trilogy, Mandalorian, Galaxy's Edge, etc). Hell, there's only one franchise that has so many loyal fans it holds an annual convention to celebrate (no pun intended). Essentially, Marvel is the flavor of the month...Star Wars is the granddaddy of them all.
     
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    It will top Endgame, easily.
     
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    How do you know that?
     
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    I'm a huge Marvel fan, been a fan since the 5th grade, enchanted by John Byrne and Terry Austin's amazing artwork, and Chris Claremont's storytelling of the X-Men. Those books were so good, they were film on paper, and decades later, films are actually being made of those childhood stories I read so many years ago when the Empire Strikes back was in theaters. Loved the 80's.

    Its ironic, I also read Avenger comic books, where Captain Marvel replaced Captain America and led the Avengers. She was a tough as nails leader for the Avengers, and now films are being made of those beloved heroes as well.

    Star Wars has been around for 40 years, I've been a Star Wars fan all my life. The only reason I didn't see Return of the Jedi in theaters is because I had discovered GIRLS, hehe... anywho...

    I love StarWars with all my heart, but sad to say, it will not do as well as Endgame. It will do well nonetheless; I don't know if the MCU will last for forty years plus, but they have 30 more years to go. Let us see what happens... Excelsior!
     
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    TROS is not going to do as well as Endgame in the box office, but it's because they're starting with much different initial conditions. TROS can still be a good movie even if it doesn't top the box office. It will be interesting to see where the MCU goes after this, because Infinity War was an immensely popular comic book series that called for a huge ensemble casts. I'm not sure how many more series they have like Infinity War. Maybe the Korvac saga is something they could build from, I don't know. I just think that the MCU played the biggest card in their deck. And now, in some ways, they'll be like SW trying to branch out from what has been a wildly successful mega-story.
     
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    Terribly long winded, was a pain to read, but I got through it...

    My reading comprehension must be extremely low, because after reading this, I'm wondering, why are you even still a fan of Star Wars?

    What I'm really saying, is if I felt like you do, I personally wouldn't be bothered with Star Wars anymore.

    I'm not saying you don't have a right to be a Star Wars fan, you obviously have the right to do whatever your heart pleases.

    I apologize in advance, no hard feelings BUT just DAMN... :confused:
     
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    It's a fair question, and I've got to admit I've asked myself the same thing.

    I'm not a fan of the ST for mainly the reasons in that post. But I've loved SW for so long and still love the OT that I can't help but hope future SW will be more to my liking. I guess I'm one of the people who'd be more lured by the SW stories then by the re-imagined saga films they create. I'm hoping they can build new sagas with new characters and groups that can entice me once more, built upon the lore of what was past. I'm hoping that TRoS can at least turn the ST into a comprehensive overall story with meaning and reasoning... around the equivalent of the PT despite its shortcomings... so I can at least appreciate portions of it and focus on the quality and successes and ignore the missteps or failures.

    Besides, what other franchise offers Sci-fi, fantasy and dose of spirituality within the same series as well as SW has? I think that's SW's strength right there. It has melded these qualities and other franchises have not been able to replicate it to the same success. If I would ever leave SW, it would be because they've strayed too far from that formula... for too long, and too consistently. In perspective, I'm complaining about one movie, that yes I find diminishes this trilogy and to some extent the OT and the rest, but it's one man's vision in a series where much of what we see hinges on the pov of the character we're living the story through. I have hope they can backtrack some of those ideas, but to me, one movie, one trilogy even isn't enough to abandon a great idea that I have invested so much time into.

    I might distance myself from the franchise to some extent, like I am now for TRoS, but I see SW as a field with a multitude of diamonds in the rough... all it takes is someone to come and unearth them. I don't think I'm alone in waiting for what's to come more than for what it's offering now. SW has given great stories that have sparked my imagination in a thousand different directions in the past, there's no reason to doubt it can't do so again.
     
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    Box office earnings has nothing to do with quality of the movie.

    Marvel can only dream of achieving the depth and richness of Star Wars stories.
     
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    I'm equal parts comic book and Star Wars fan and have been since 1977 (I was 4). What I have seen from Marvel in its phase 3 is what I was very much hoping for in the Star Wars ST. Marvel established its big 3 in Cap, Thor and Iron Man and over the course of the 22 movies it introduced their supporting characters. We became emotionally invested in those 3 first and then were given the opportunity to like the others; Ant Man, Dr. Strange, Spidey, etc and see them share the stage and grow with the big 3. In IW and EG we saw the big 3's stories come to a satisfying conclusion in different ways and see them pass the baton on the next generation of heroes. It was solid and paid tribute to the original Avengers. Yes, they changed and we saw Thor in the state he was in and saw them all struggle but never change who they were at their core. THAT is what I wanted to see with Leia, Luke and Han in the ST. I wanted them to fight side by side with the new generation as we grew to love them and eventually see them take the lead. That is not what we got so JJ is starting behind the 8 ball on TROS. I remain cautiously optimistic but though they may stick the landing, they missed a great opportunity as expressed by Mark himself.
     
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    I don’t necessarily agree with this statement but if we accept it as the case, JJ was the one who created the 8 ball. He is the one who killed Han and stuck Luke alone on an island.

    I personally have enjoyed the ST and believe JJ is going to deliver a good and entertaining movie with The Rise of Skywalker.
     
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    I enjoyed TFA but not TLJ. Luke was supposed to be on the island doing research on the original Jedi teachings per Han in TFA. When Rey arrived he was wearing Jedi robes and after he threw away his lightsaber he went and changed into a second hand LL Bean poncho and started his Oscar the Grouch routine. That was RJ's choice. At any rate, I'm hopeful this film will satisfy more fans than it disappoints.
     
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    It could be the better movie but
    That's just simply not true. Han's line in TFA is, "There're a lot of rumors. Stories. The people who knew him the best think he went looking for the first Jedi temple." No reason is ever given as to why.
     
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    Luke has left everything behind and doesn't come back to save his friends. That's in TFA. That's the film. We've also learned that the concept of Luke goes back to 2012 from the direction of George Lucas. Long before JJ or RJ were ever involved.

    The Force Awakens did a good job of pleasing audiences, but something being amiss with Luke was in the film.
     
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