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Can we find common ground?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Lock_S_Foils, Feb 10, 2018.

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  1. Pobody's Nerfect

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    In my opinion every Star Wars movie was good.

    Some were great, and a couple were masterpieces, but every single one of them was good. I never left the theater feeling like I'd just wasted my time and money.
     
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  2. Ruralfarmboy

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    Now Ain't It Just ... ?

    Not so much that it is ... but where we , as an ever growin' group of folk with different thought and opinion and takes, Go with It ... together ... different and same ...Together .
    Can We Do That ??

    Can We Do That (them Yet to read this) ?

    WE Can ... If each and Every Wanna ??

    OP's Intent.

    "The Circle is ... almost ..complete".
     
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  3. Mike

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    The common ground that needs to be reached is not trying to find the things we all agree we like or don't like about any movie. The common ground that needs to be reached is talking about the things we like or don't like in a respectful manner.

    I mean look at your post... You start off your post as wanting some type of kum-by-yah moment between fans, yet it doesn't take you long to start pointing out that you think people are wrong for thinking Rey is a Mary Sue even using insulting language to describe those people...


    I do not like how Rey is handled, I don't agree what-so-ever that Rey is comparable to what Luke and Anakin did with the Force in their first week of using the Force, and I am surely not "apoplectic" about it.

    So what kind of common ground are you looking for when you make statements like the above that will want people to defend their stance on Rey, give reasons why they think they do, and than probably respond with some kind of insult in kind as a retort to you saying people are having some kind of extreme anger over Rey.

    It's only natural people are going to want to give their side of their opinion when you give yours, which is why we are on a forum. Trying to find common ground is not saying that the common ground is that I think you're wrong for thinking Rey is a Mary Sue and you're being unreasonably angry over it because you don't agree with me...

    Common Ground is here is my opinion, here is why I think the way I do, and here is why I don't agree with you, and at the end, we can agree to disagree... That's common ground...

    Not, your opinion is wrong, mine is right, and because you don't see it my way, well we can't reach common ground..
     
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    Oh muy muy!! Meesa so smilin' weesa bein' friends!! (Gawd!!! That still sucks)

    I grew up in Summerville, SC....so I know 'rural'. The sand is coarse.....and it gets everywhere. But, I mean, we all know that by now.

    Cheers/Skol/Slante!!!
     
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    got to admit i hate been "one of the haters" I just thought the last Jedi wasn't a very good movie, Ive really tried to like it but i don't, i think its a mess! But i'm utterly envious of people like yourself who loved it.

    So i take your pity it isn't fun been a hater :p
     
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    Do we need to have common ground on TLJ or any other movie? I think the only common ground we can have is that we are all Star Wars fans.

    I have been a Star Wars fan for as long as I can remember, I love the majority of what has been made for the big screen and TV however overall I did not like TLJ but that doesn't make my opinion of that film right for anyone else other than me or make me any less of a Star Wars fan.

    It's the same for those who liked or loved TLJ, your opinion is only valid for you, the only difference is that you are pleased with the film and that makes me envious. Every time I go to see a Star Wars film I am optimistic and I want it to be amazing, TLJ just wasn't for me. There is a lot I do like, the acting was amazing especially Mark Hamill and Adam Driver, it was beautifully shot and the John Williams score was phenomenal as always.

    The big problem for me was the story itself and the execution of some scenes, that is what has left me feeling deflated with TLJ. The Solo trailer however is bringing back some excitement and I really hope this film is a hit!
     
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    Echo nearly exactly how i feel about things!
     
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    I guess we need to come to common ground on "insulting language". I don't consider the word "apoplectic" as insulting, and you do. Of course, this is only my opinion.
     
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    Yep.
    It is what @Mike said.
    Perfectly.
    The Common Ground ... is not what each of us, to a person, says/writes But How/What Each of us says/writes it.

    Sure,
    We, each an' Every have our each an' Every opinion ...
    But how it is Put to the rest of us, in Any threads.
    Looks to be, This is where We do Each other wrong.
    Meybe on purpose ... meybe not.

    Sure, there be them few (I call 'em the 'Loud Few') that don't an' just Won't be (that's on them).

    But The Great Many of Us = Common Ground Is where WE can BE.
     
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    Do I even need to bring up all the questionable stuff you did on JCF?
     
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    Really? Telling someone that they are being apoplectic suggests that their level of anger is unreasonable. You claim to want to reach a common ground, but use a descriptor for people's opinions that clearly suggests they are being unreasonable. You even follow that up by saying:

    By saying you don't understand why someone is angry, you are suggesting their anger is unreasonable. You don't see how that might put someone on the defensive? Especially if you are trying to have a conversation where you're preaching trying to reach a common ground?
     
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    Yes, this perfectly sums it up for me. I have no issue having conversations with those who have different opinions on here. I have a problem with those who belittle, mock, and act like they are so much smarter and really "get it" and anyone who sees it differently is just dumber than them. I've made it clear that I didn't enjoy TLJ and am firmly in the Rey is a Mary Sue camp, usually these opinions are shared in the "Hate" thread. The amount of times someone has jumped down my throat and tried to set me straight for being "wrong" is ridiculous - and this is in the thread for those who didn't like the movie. Maybe the same thing happens in the thread for those who loved the movie? I don't know because I don't go in there since I certainly didn't love the movie.
     
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    ... ain't sayin' ... just sayin' ... Them 'kinda things ?
    Well, they won't be tolerated here in Our Cantina neither.

    Not coz I say.
    Wanna find out ?

    Moderators(FAIR, they BE ..VERY Fair)'ll Let ya know.

    This here ain't ... JCC ... Not NEAR.

    BTW ...Ya get the 'like' from me.
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 11, 2018, Original Post Date: Feb 11, 2018 ---
    Alright.
    So, You-n-Me ... We might agree to disagree on various thing about TLJ or ANY such.
    Fine.
    You Got Yers.
    I Got Mine.
    Either Way ??
    It IS ALL Still Star Wars.
    And I Still Call Ya Friend.

    A Period Ended That Sentance.
     
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    Some common ground I notice is that most people generally agree the film was “beautifully made”.

    The fact there's a handful of narrative choices that keep surfacing from those with strong feelings against TLJ certainly says something. But it's worth remembering that many of these people also acknowledge they have little issue with most of the movie and feel that the few things they didn't like were so destructive they overshadowed the many positives for them.

    I guess the other notable recurrence I've observed from diverse fans is people sharing that a second viewing often allowed them to get past some of their initial hangups and perceptions of the writing choices (me included).
    I suspend my disbelief with the 'ol "because Force" justification. ;)
    And although I read the book before seeing TPM and found the explanations of Anakin's intuitive Force use to be compelling, there's always this...

    Because Force.gif
     
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    You might be a rare sort of poster around here! I have no problem if someone enjoyed TLJ, good for you! The difference of opinion has never been an issue, it's everything I stated in my previous post. I can certainly agree to disagree and I am hopeful that I can enjoy Episode 9 better than 8.
     
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    Please remind me what exactly it was that was "anathema" to your beliefs.
     
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    ...
     
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    I know you think you're clever, and I am sure you're pretty impressed with yourself (probably easily so as well). My point still stands, that if someone is going to preach about reaching common ground and trying to avoid the drama of infighting within the fandom, than that person needs to actually look at how they post.

    As far as myself, all one needs to do is look at my post history to see I am not concerned about reaching common ground. I say what I feel. But, I am also not preaching about trying to find a common ground either.
     
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    And there you go again using the term "preaching" for what I am saying. That term also could have some insulting meanings to some, like apoplectic.

    Mike, we disagree. Done.
     
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    Yup, but I am not worried about reaching common ground. I'm not the one that started the thread now am I? I don't mind getting down and dirty and slinging some mud. You asked the questions, I gave an answer.
     
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