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Canon vs. Legends

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Legends' started by Jake Wolfe, Mar 8, 2017.

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    I think it would be a shame to lose a lot of the Old Republic lore surrounding characters like Revan. I don't need the stories to be exactly the same, but I would hate for them to scrap them entirely.

    This basically sums up the differences in a nut shell. Like you say, that doesn't mean that they can't still tell awesome stories, it just changes the dynamic. Both approaches have pros and cons to them. Additionally, both ways of doing things will yield both good and bad stories. Even though I loved the EU, I'm not going to act like there weren't some terrible stories that were told(there were some real doozies). Also, just because I love the new Canon, that doesn't mean I will refrain from criticizing bad stories just because they are Canon. For instance, while the trilogy had an enjoyable payoff in the end, I'm not going to pretend the first Aftermath book was good, it wasn't. Sure, it had some neat details and clues in it for Canon junkies like myself, but that doesn't excuse the problems with the main narrative and characters that the book had. Heck, the Prequels have always been Canon, and I'm certainly not going to go about ignoring their flaws just because they are part of the official story. Canon does not = quality, good storytelling does.
     
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    I have to wonder what more EU characters might return to canon in this new era. There are quite a few characters whom the fans want to see make a comeback, but as for which characters actually will, it seems like nobody can predict. On the other hand, LFL doesn't seem to have any issue using existing planets and species, at least in name. The disadvantage is that the incredible histories of those planets and aliens have to be rewritten. Having to start over with a lot of the world-building is quite a burden. The films are clearly a huge chunk of the Star Wars universe, but the rest of the EU added quite a lot more to the overall continuity than the films did by themselves. I wonder how long it might take to build back up all that history for the new canon.
     
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    I have to admit that I really disliked what they did with the old canon and that has kept me from feeling any interest on the new one. Maybe there are a few good books out there but so far I haven't felt the desire to read any.
     
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    The only thing that really makes me bitter about this topic is that they're continuing The SWTOR story but not in "canon".
     
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    Indeed, however I don't think they really have a choice unless the reboot the game, which may not go over well with the player base. Way to many things in the game that don't sync with Canon otherwise.
     
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    I just really think it wasn't cool to the fans who like the old EU, but Im not a continuity hound at all, so I'm happy to read any SW books, old or new canon. But also The Old Republic stuff from the Old EU was amazing and there was no reason in my opinion to not make it Canon. There only arguement for that was because George Lucas didn't regard it as canon, but in my blunt opinion I don't care what George thought about it it was amazing.
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    How? it's so far before the movies? lol
     
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    It has things that don't line up such as Sith spirits for example. It has been established now that only Jedi who are truly selfless can attain immortality, whereas Sith cannot do so. Other little things that don't line up as well. Additionally, given his popularity, I think the story group very likely has plans for Revan and that era at some point down the line. Heck, George even liked the character and almost put him in an episode of The Clone Wars.

    Additionally, while I love the first two KotOR games and consider them some of the finest games ever made, I didn't really like where they took Revan's story in The Old Republic, so I wouldn't mind seeing that part in particular removed when they do canonize Revan at some point.
     
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    Well I think the Sith spirits could be explained as a dark specter/illusion of the Dark Side of the Force Just like Darth Bane im the Clone Wars. Just for the record im not a George hater just think he was a better director than writer.
     
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    But wasn't everything considered canon in the past? I can even remember some awful SW games being considered canon.
     
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    I have really enjoyed most of the new canon material but it will be a long time before we can accurately say which was better because the sheer amount of stuff in legends will shadow the new canon for some time. As someone who grew up during the PT and was a massive Star Wars fan from as early as I can remember, I always wanted to read the EU stuff because I wanted to do everything Star Wars but the EU came across as so convoluted, hard to follow, and not knowing where to start. This made the idea of trying to read some of that stuff very daunting and discouraged even a massive Star Wars fan like myself. So when they announced that they were erasing the Eu from canon I was really happy because it gave me the chance to finally be able to follow the non-film material in a more organized way. My hope for the future is that they continue to pick and choose the best of the Eu (Thrawn as the biggest example) and implements it into the new canon. One problem I have with the new canon is that they seem afraid to go too close to what was done back then so even though Kylo Ren shares a lot of traits with Jacen Solo they decided to name him Ben (a name that doesn't really fit Leia and Han's child). Instead of there just being a continuation of the Empire like Thrawn's we got the First Order (which is exactly the Empire just without the name). In the end I have faith that the new canon will continue to be great and that even if some of the movies falter, the greater universe will continue to be something I love to immerse myself in.
     
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    there are conlflicting views, Dave Filoni said no In an interview on The SW show, but I would say yes. But I don't care as I said that much about continuity I just judge each Star Wars work indepentdently.
     
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    The previous system included different levels of canon. There was G-Canon for everything George was directly involved in, which was the films, and they were the final say. Then there was T-Canon, which was reserved for TV shows, but I don't think anything ever made it to T-Canon. Even the original Clone Wars series, I think, was C-Canon.

    C-Canon was basically "everything". Books, games, comics. This was technically of a "lower rank" than G- and T-Canons, but it was still, for all other intents and purposes aside from conflict (where it may arise, rarely), "full" canon. After C-Canon was S-Canon, which was basically "semi-canon". Meaning, anything with parts which were canon, with parts that weren't. This included a certain Christmas program we do not speak of, as well as the original Marvel Comics Star Wars series, and maybe some "Tales" comics (if I remember the name correctly). Then, lastly, was N-Canon, or non-canon, material. That included Dark Side endings, other Tales comics, and probably Jaxxon.

    So no, not everything was canon, just as Dave, Pablo, and Leland have discussed. Now, there is only canon and non-canon.

    But anyway, as for the canon switchup and the Old Republic era...

    I still have a few issues with the canon switchup, because there were a lot of aspects of the old canon that I really loved, but I have hope that some of those things might return. I don't expect to see Kyle Katarn come back, but we might get the KotOR games back in some form, at least. On the other hand, I was incredibly happy to see TOR be decanonized. I had a serious issue with the fact it was thousands of years before the films, yet everything, like the "clone/stormtrooper" style of armor being the same, and the Star Destroyer design apparently never changing much, that sort of thing really bothered me. It was lazy, even if it did still look cool, and it messed eith the existing canon, as far as the Mandalorian heritage of the Clonetrooper armor, and, I guess, the "originality" of the Jedi Cruisers and Star Destroyers from the films. TOR made those things ancient, and made them things that had been seen before.

    Also, "the first Galactic Empire" speech Palpatine gives in Revenge of the Sith implies the Sith were not as massive as TOR gives me the impression they were. It just doesn't all fit together very well, as cool as the game looks, and as fun as te story may be. And as others have said, Dark Side spirits aren't supposed to be a thing.

    Sorry for the negativity on what's probably a good game, but the design and some of the elements of the story jist didn't meld well with the films, to me.
     
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    TOR has MAJOR issues, however they dont bother that much, I really enjoy the roleplaying aspect of SWTOR and the KOTORs and I sort of wish it was kept in canon. But then again I really don't care about what Disney/LucasFilm consider canon that much as long as I'm reading or playing a good SW book or game. I really don't get why a lot of fans disregard the old EU just because of continuity, Pablo himself was a fan of some EU books. I also don't get how people can say they don't like the entire EU because its so vast.
     
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    I've always found that odd as well. I would say that most folks are at least willing to acknowledge a couple things from the EU they like, but some folks are just ridiculous. I remember one dumb@#$ who said that the Twilight novels were better literature than Zahn's Thrawn trilogy. There's no reasoning with people like that.
     
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    Personally, I'm hoping that at some point we get actual substance from the books, comic, TV shows, and even the games, instead of always restricking that to the movies. I personally feel that trying to understand everything that is going on from just watching the movies is like trying to pass a class by only taking the tests and not doing any of the homework. But that's just me.
     
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    I embrace the new canon. The old EU, some of it was a little strange to me. The new stuff is a little more palatable. Of course many of the small details and background stories of minor background characters has survived the transition from EU to canon. So it seems like they're taking the good out of EU and transferring it to canon. Works for me. Yes you get Thrawn, but in a different era, that doesn't make it better or worse, it just makes sense in the larger continuity.
     
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    While I don't miss things like the Killiks, which definitely were part of the stranger side, I do miss the scale of the stories, and some of the characters. Guess it's just nostalgia, since the EU was all there was before the Prequels, and then after, until The Clone Wars finally gave us some new visual material. I liked Thrawn's place in the EU, liked Pellaeon, even thought Luke facing off against an old Jedi Master like C'Baoth was a cool idea. Although TCW made up for it later, I was also sad to lose the Republic Commando series, which went into canon limbo when The Clone Wars got in the way of Karen Travis' Imperial Commando novel.

    In Thrawn's case, as much as I'm glad he's been canonized, I, personally, would much prefer to see him survive to make a power grab. I think the character rightfully deserves that story. I think it should be told in some fashion in the new canon. Though it may never be...
     
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    I am VERY happy with where we are now and with the stories we are getting.
    I did like the Han Solo trilogy (the original by B. Daley). I remember 1991 when I saw what was to be the beginning of what is now Legends. I got the book and could not finish it. It was just NOT Star Wars to me. Neither was the Much that followed. Then the Dark Horse comics followed and I didn't really like them either... Too fantastical... but that's what all comics are supposed to be, just not for me & still aren't even though what we're getting now does fit in.
    Loved the Republic Commando series, still have to do the last 2 books though.
    Loved Plageuis as well, still holding on to hope for that story to come in.
    Loved the Dark Lord book also.
    I like where we're going... Here's to More
     
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    I really like that their setting up something in the Unknown Regions in the current canon. I hope they don't do something bad writing wise which I don't think they will.
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    yeah to be honest I don't really care about the Legends stuff set in the GCW era. I'm just a huge Old Republic and Darth Bane fan. I'm sort of on the same page I like where there going in the extended works especially, in the current canon. ive complained about things in the new canon but that's because I really care about SW being good.
     
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