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Case for Snoke

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by McDiarmid, Apr 26, 2016.

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If Snoke is based on Pablo Hidalgo's character described here, will you be satissfied?

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  4. Plagueis will never be forgotten

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  1. McDiarmid

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    "......No one knows the limits of his own power until it has been tested to the utmost....."
    Snoke, The Force Awakens, novel

    Supreme Leader Snoke - decoded


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    Snoke was Palpatine's aid, advisor, director of Imperial intelligence and the Supreme Prophet of the Dark side.
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    The character used as a template for Supreme Leader Snoke is:

    LORD CRONAL(codename Blackhole, also known as Shadowspawn)
    Prophet of the Dark Side, Director of Imperial Intelligence.



    PLEASE NOTE : Snoke is not Cronal literally . Biography of Cronal has been used as a template, idea for newly created character and wider plot that is in the foundation of Sequel trilogy. Discovery of this obscure character from old EU material served me to decode the plot behind Snoke . In this post you will find reconstruction of general picture about the events before Sequel trilogy, and eventually who Supreme Leader Snoke is .
    There is alternate path - a character Kadann probabaly evolved from this one idea, in this case just as story has been suplemented with notion that Kadann supposed to be trained by the Jedi ( and could be "the last Jedi" that survived order 66 as well) but was converted to the Dark side to became dark Side Prophet, eventually same thing as original Cronal, though original Kadann is a dwarf.



    Cronal is a character from Expanded Universe.

    Pablo Hidalgo was according to references involved in the biography of Cronal, it is his brainchild.

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    Cronal was a former Emperor's Hand, Dark Side Prophet and head of Imperial Intelligence.

    He was involved in formation of the New Empire, much more disciplined and darker.

    He also commissioned the construction of a weapon capable of wiping out entire Star systems.

    He used politics and connections in the New Republic senate to make New Republic look the other way while he rally and rebuild what was left of the former Empire military.

    Cronal was also a member of the Sorcerers of Rhand(Ren?!). A group who believed in a power greater than the Force which they called the Dark and that by following the Will or the Way of the Dark, they were granted special powers. He left this order to become a Prophet of the Dark Side .

    Cronal became Palpatine’s chief dark side adept exploring the “Science of Darkness” in the tradition of Darth Plagueis.

    A master of Darksight, Cronal prided himself on his view of the universe, transcending the dualistic classification of the Force into light and dark sides.

    Here is citation for another "Dark Side prophet "variant" Kadann.
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    His organisations and field of operations were also linked to Perann Nebula in the Unknown Regions of the galaxy after Empire retreat. And the First Order came from Unknown regions of the galaxy.

    Cronal was interested and studied Skywalkers bloodline:"...for his visions and gnostic algorithms had exposed to him the secret of the Skywalker genealogy....".


    artistic vision of Cronal
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    References:

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cronal

    http://www.starwars.com/news/the-star-wars-spy-game-spin-declassified

    http://www.starwars.com/news/the-imperial-warlords-despoilers-of-an-empire-part-3
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    Snoke's damaged fragile body

    "...But Cronal's heavy immersion in the dark side of the Force took a toll on him. Physically, the dark side ate away at Cronal, making him frail, shrunken....."

    "Pablo Hidalgo"

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    There is important concept of body of the Dark side wielder being degraded by intensive practicing of the Dark Side, which happened to Cronal. So his apperance is not the result of him been injured, but been eaten by the Dark side, in exchange for his powers.

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    He found ancient knowledge and studied Darth Plaguieis also. He is not as strong as Luke by his birth ,he acquired the knowledge in his fanatic quest for ultimate power on polithical, military and spiritual field.
    He also once received some techings from the Sith (Palpatine, probably Vader to).

    His body could be damaged in some old fight to of course, so his overal appearance could be result of both "dwelling into the dark", and old injuries.


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    SUMMARY

    We revealed figure that evolved from the inteligent ambitious secret service officer and Dark side adept , to an absolute ruler of efficient militaristic regime ,, who obtained powers on the Dark side which transformed his body.

    1.Born as a Force sensitive never trained formally to the level of a Jedi or a Sith.
    2.Studied Dark side , Dark sorcery ,joined probably some Dark religion cult.
    3.Because of his qualities he was employed by Palpatine as his chief of Intelligence and his hand, and received techings from Palatine (probabaly also from Vader).
    4.He researched even further into the Dark side in the unknown regions of the galaxy, in order to obtain even more power, at the price of even more decay of his body.

    There are many elements from Cronal character that fitt in what we know about Snoke and characters/events mentioned in the new Canon novels and seen in the TFA film:

    -His body is damaged --Dark side toll...Physically, the dark side ate away at him...
    -He knows in details what happened during the rise and fall of the Empire (he was inside Empire's ranks !).
    -He has Dark side knowledge obtained by dwelling into sorcery of Dark.

    Dark side Prophet.
    -He has taken command of the remnants of Empire, a military regime, in only plausible way, as he was already an high ranking officer.
    -Lea knows him as it seems.
    -He creates New empire (Cronal), Snoke creates First Order.
    -He finds way to construct a weapon that will destroy entire star systems.
    -Cronal is always on the move ( later uses mobile medical chamber that supports his fragile damaged body), Snoke uses mobile command.
    -Cronal was interested and studied Skywalkers bloodline:"...for his visions and gnostic algorithms had exposed to him the secret of the Skywalker genealogy....".
    -A master of Darksight, Cronal prided himself on his view of the universe, transcending the dualistic classification of the Force into light and dark sides…

    -He engaged in special subversion operations using his net of spies and connections in the New republic. in order to weaken New Rupublic, prevent its actions against the First Order and even to discredit Pricess Lea as a natural leader. Those are actions of someone cunning and subversive on a level once Palpatine had and someone who was in the same time once chief of intelligence of the Empire.
    -It is safe to say that Snoke is not a particulary phisically strong .He dwells deep into the Dark Side using it for obtaining 1.wisdom (defined by Kylo Ren words) to see in advance and predict events, to be ahead of its enemy, and 2. for remote sensing (intelligence) defined by skills Kylo has, and its natural to conclude Kylo received that teachings or guidance from Snoke .
    Deep immersion with the Dark side to obtain wisdom , predicting of events in advance, and intelligence gathering.
    In my eyes like someone is making a painting of a former Dark side prophet and intelligence agent in one person.

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    "That all came out of conversations about what would have happened if the Nazis all went to Argentina but then started working together again? What could be born of that? Could The First Order exist as a group that actually admired The Empire? Could the work of The Empire be seen as unfulfilled? And could Vader be a martyr? Could there be a need to see through what didn't get done?"
    ―J.J. Abrams

    Idea for the First Order came from fiction story about Nazis after WW II escaping into remote territories where they created secret base, planing to return.....
    And their leader, naturally, has the same background .

    Did we reconstructed Snoke by this? - he has analogy of a high ranking Nazi official, evil thing that was part of a regime that crumbled (analogy with commander of the Gestapo or SS ), who was also practicing dark sorcery like its former master ( Palpatine), and he and his followers escaped and were planing revenge, searching in the meantime all possible ways to obtain more power on the dark Side for control over the galaxy.

     
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    This information is silly fan made crap on Star Wars wiki, right? *throws up*
     
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    It was EU character in which Pablo Hodalgo invested .


    Lord Cronal, Prophet of the Dark Side, once Director of Imperial Inteligence.
     
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    Well...that sure sounds a lot like Snoke. :(

    I've Tweeted Pablo. Let's see.
     
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    And quite possibly would fit the narrative on all fronts if confirmed. Whats old is new again *cough, cough* EU... lol
     
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    Literally everything about that EU idiot smacks of Snoke.
    http://www.starwars.com/news/the-imperial-warlords-despoilers-of-an-empire-part-3
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    Holy blast:

    Fleeing, the sorcerer set up in an abandoned droid depot on the industrial world Andooweel, reinventing himself as the cyber-artist Perek — said to be his pre-Rhandite birthname. The place would prove to be his grave. While in thrall to the reborn Emperor, Skywalker’s mechanical right hand had been replaced by one polluted with mechu-deru, and this alchemically-altered appendage drew the Jedi instinctively to Andooweel and into a final confrontation with Cronal. The mage used technobeast nanodroids to infect the circuitry of Skywalker’s hand and precipitate a monstrous metamorphosis into a totemic ativism of the Force — his most magnificent creation! — for Cronal to possess.
     
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    This blast is nonsense. Anyone can edit stuff on there! It's a mess. Lock this madness up.
     
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    Please do.

    My twitt acount he don't consider important to reply .

    Ask him to see what we have , give him adress of this thread.
     
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    HOLY SHIIIIIIIIIT!:

    (From the SW.com about Cronos - linked above)

    Sometime before the Clone Wars, Darth Sidious rediscovered this Sith splinter group, securing its service. In due course, as Cronal clashed with the ex-Jedi Kadann for the title of Supreme Prophet, the Dark Lord summoned the Rhandite to work for him directly. Cronal became Palpatine’s “monster maker” and chief dark side adept exploring the “Science of Darkness” in the tradition of Darth Plagueis.


     
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    FAN MADE NONSENSE!

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    Jesus Christ it's genuine!!
     
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    Lord Cronal was cunning,and one of Palpatine's most powerful dark side mages. But Cronal's heavy immersion in the dark side of the Force took a toll on him. Physically, the dark side ate away at Cronal, making him frail, shrunken, and dependent upon his life-support chamber.

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cronal
     
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    OMG, Snoke is Cronos confirmed!

    Not only was Cronal impressed by the siblings’ puissant wills, he perceived Skywalker as an innate agent of the Dark by very virtue of his prodigious destruction of the Death Star. Thus, he began conspiring to transfer his consciousness from his increasingly withering body into one of these robust Force receptacles. Part of that plot involved his agreement with Grand Vizier Sate Pestage to set up an Imperial-sanctioned religion, the Church of the Dark Side, upon Palpatine’s demise at Endor. Cronal saw this venture as a means of drawing attention away from his own plans and a satisfying mockery of the traitorous Kadann and his Prophets. Soon after, however, Cronal disappeared.
     
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    Plagueis gets a mention! We've won!!!!
     
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    Though the Jedi successfully defeated Cronal’s Pawns and shadowtroopers, the sorcerer nearly succeeded in transplanting his essence into Skywalker’s body and then his sister’s. In the end, though, the wizened Rhandite’s gambit backfired and, as he fled Mindor in hyperspace, Skywalker turned Cronal’s own black arts against him, seemingly decohering the warlord to his fundamental atoms through the Force—all despite never even having truly seen his enemy face to face.

    Yet, almost unimaginably, that was not the end of Cronal, though what happened next is not clear.
     
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    Cronal is Plagueis...confirmed? Dr David Snoke is a myth....
     
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    Most likely is the possibility that the mystic’s spirit was summoned back from Chaos by necromancing Dathomiri shamans, or even his former co-conspirator Sate Pestage. Even more portentously, however, the warlock potentially negated his own oblivion by reaching out with his infinite dying thought and every last gram of his olamic cowardice to cross the ineffable threshold from hyperspace toOtherspace: an aberrant dimension where he accessed a perverted dynamism denominated the anti-Force. In any case, Cronal lived … albeit at tremendous cost. His body, save for his head and neck, was completely cybernetically reconstituted via mechu-deru — much as Nightsisters regenerated the bisected body of Darth Maul — while his mind itself was all but shattered from transcendental combat with Skywalker.
     
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    It's a trap! This is a diversion! They aren't fooling me for a minute! When was this article posted?!
     
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    January 2014.
     
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    Unless that's Cronal in the RO bacta tank....

    *gulp*
     
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