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Case for Snoke

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by McDiarmid, Apr 26, 2016.

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If Snoke is based on Pablo Hidalgo's character described here, will you be satissfied?

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  1. Yes 100%

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  2. 50/50

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  3. NO

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  4. Plagueis will never be forgotten

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  1. Yordis

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    I agree, this really does seem to fit with what we've seen so far. But how will it look in the movie? What if...

    Interviewer: So, Snoke. You were the Emperor's secret researcher?
    Cronal: Yeah, that's right. I developed all sorts of cool stuff for the Empire, even before it was an Empire.
    Interviewer: Why didn't we see any of this cool stuff in the movies?
    Cronal: Well I mean... I was the guy who developed the Death Star, wasn't I?
    Interviewer: [speechless awe]
    Cronal: Yeah, I get that a lot. S'why I'm Supreme Leader now. Like, Starkiller Base? It's Sith Alchemy on a planetary scale. You know, kids stuff.
    Interviewer: Wow, that's actually impressive and relevant! Um, so, how did you know what went on in the Death Star II?
    Cronal: I'm pretty good about seeing things through the Force. Also, I designed it, of course I was keeping tabs on things.
    Interviewer: And your injuries?
    Cronal: Ah, having Sidious as a boss wasn't always pleasant. He wasn't too happy about that exhaust port on Death Star I.
    Interviewer: It's so obvious now.
    Cronal: [mic drop]
     
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    Ah now, come on Yordis, you're taking him very literally and being a bit unfair with your conclusions there, you're adding 1+1 and getting 11. I actually agree with most of what he said, to me Star Wars IS a sort of a fairytale, Swords and Sorcery in space. Imo turning the EU into legends was the most appropriate course of action, that way they'll never have to be a unified whole that always makes sense, something they never were anyway.
     
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    Oh, the EU was a mess, and I agree making it Legends was a good move. And you have a point, answering hyperbole with hyperbole wasn't really fair. Star Wars is more fantasy than sci-fi to me as well. But I disagree with Pablo, head of continuity, that continuity is less important than story. Which is what I think he was saying? World-building and narrative go hand in hand. And it's not nice to disparage fans.
     
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    ... Well. This is all very, very interesting. A lot of the details about Cronal's character could certainly fit: Dark Side user, present to witness the fall of the Empire, he could very well be floating in the batch tank in R1...

    A lot of the stuff from Cronal's biography is, well... very, very silly. Maybe not as ridiculous as the stuff that went down in The Crystal Star (*involuntary shudder*), but it's so freaking loopy in that way that only the old Star Wars comics could be.

    Still, I could see Cronal being the inspiration for, not the identity of, Snoke. Meaning, I don't think that he's going to turn out to literally be "Cronal," but maybe be "Cronal" in much the same way that Ben Solo/Kylo Ren is "Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus," or Rey is "Jaina Solo/Ben Skywalker."
     
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    I feel we descovered the plot represented by Pablo
    to implement dark sorcery as a way to obtain power that can rival former Sith. Cronal, by Pablo Hidalgo started to warship Dark. Its not old Dark side study by the Sith but a new way to contact with extreme "source" of Dark side pull, which should give him new way of obtaining power of the Dark side.We see Maz Kanata talking about Light, not using term Light side, which points they are implementing the new extremes: Light, Dark. Cronal cheated his death and unfortunately Operator in Aftermath also cheated death or survived annaturaly which points on same character taking shape in new Canon.

    ....Could be we located the source of this plot to destroy Star Wars as we knew them though it's to late and our rebelion here is insignificant. If this critical topic would be brought on wide public debate it will be maybe a chance. I don't think its our destiny to save Star Wars future.

    However I pray now: Rise Darth Plagueis. Rise Darth Plagueis and all the Siths of the old ,rise the Jedi of the old,and defend our Star Wars!
    This is our most desperate hour.
     
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    Did he write this article before or after the prequels? Because after the prequels I belive its completly pointless to argue about things like this in Star Wars...
     
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    2004, after AotC but before RotS. Link
     
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    Thanks for the link. I disagree with him aswell, continuity should be very important, and this is why declaring the EU ,,legends" was the best decision they could make. It was really on the loose without any real direction full of continuity errors and contradictions...
    However, considering how many inconsistencies and continuity problems are between the PT and OT, I belive its really pointless to argue about this too much... Obviously when a story expands inconsistencies will happen... But they should try to avoid it as long as they can.

    Obi wan in ROTJ: ,,I was amazed how strongly the Force was with him. I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi." yup, as we've seen it in TPM clearly that has happened...
     
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    I was skimming through that thread and some of the posts reminds me of how Pablo talks about the Plagueis theory.

    If Snoke were indeed Plagueis, it doesn't make sense that he would constantly deride the theory. Why would Pablo be given authority to misdirect fans? What does Pablo gain other than pissing off a bunch of people? How long can he keep it up for? It's just not a clever thing to do unless Snoke is in fact not Plagueis.
     
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    When Daniel Craig one effin-007 isn't good enough for a Supreme Leader.


    #SNOKEISPRINCECHARLESCONFIRMED​
     
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    The shadow stormtroopers, also known as Blackhole stormtroopers due to their association with Blackhole (Cronal), of the the Imperial Inteligence service.

    Rogue One.

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    "... Snoke was once handsome...."

    " But Cronal's heavy immersion in the dark side of the Force took a toll on him. Physically, the dark side ate away at Cronal, making him frail, shrunken, and dependent upon his (mobile) life-support chamber."

    " (Snoke was)...Looking humanoid, but not human....... pale blue eyes..."


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    If Ben-M, is Cronal and Cronal is Snoke; but not Darth Plagueis, why did they use Andy Gollum?
     
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    "...But Cronal's heavy immersion in the dark side of the Force took a toll on him. Physically, the dark side ate away at Cronal, making him frail, shrunken, and dependent upon his life-support chamber....."

    "Pablo Hidalgo"

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    I don't think he's going to literally Cronal, but all of this seems to be pointing in the direction that Ben-M's character is inspired by Cronal, and I won't be shocked if it turns out that Ben-M's character is a younger Snoke. We'll see.
     
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    If Cronal a whacked out, comic-book, prophet of the dark side is ruling the galaxy and causing Luke Skywalker to hide....

    then the force Star Wars has entered a black hole, with only one way to escape.


    Darth. Plagueis.
     
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    Wasnt it already established that the anthology movies wont be connected with the main episodes like the MCU?
     
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    Please note that I expanded original post for clarification, and all who read this please note: We are talking about Cronal as a template for Snoke.
    --- Double Post Merged, Apr 27, 2016, Original Post Date: Apr 27, 2016 ---
    I can not understand how its even possible to separate R1 and core .
    There is logical fallacy in claiming Rogue one don't have conection with new trilogy because we have new Canon that has been constructed in front of our nose almost like that Death Star from Rogue one.
     
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    This why why I was asking, but as far as I know the anthology movies wont be like the MCU. They will have their own stories but dont affect the main episodes directly.
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    Oh and one more addition. Snoke's design wasn't even decided until the finish of the production, and at one point it was even considered to be a female, so I really don't think Snoke will be Ben's character from R1.
     
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    Journey to Star Wars: The Force Awakens, is a huge multimedia project coordinated by the Lucas Story group in order to coordinate all activities in the frame of new Canon,stenghtened by the tight rules and regulations of Disney company.
    Every single piece has beem planed,, comunicated and coordinated in all the activities (novels, other publications, film development, cartoons) and this includes tight security measures.
    It is multibilion dolar project.

    In the light of this, a Snoke girl or other stories is a lalaby fitting the times when great directors had a freedom to change everything while filming as the making of the movie was pure art.
    Now it is a industrial bussines made by strict Professional norms and all things are debated and coordnated in advance.

    Though, a meme of Snoke being nice looking and a young may have passed to ears of some who did not understand its in fact true.
     
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    I don't believe them. Snoke was never going to be the wicked witch of the GFFA, lest fans blast them for choosing a Mother Talzin wannabe over Darth Plagueis. Just like Snoke is getting crushed for being a complete rip off of Plagueis, sans the cover name and species.
     
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