1. Due to the increased amount of spam bots on the forum, we are strengthening our defenses. You may experience a CAPTCHA challenge from time to time.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Notification emails are working properly again. Please check your email spam folder and if you see any emails from the Cantina there, make sure to mark them as "Not Spam". This will help a lot to whitelist the emails and to stop them going to spam.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. IMPORTANT! To be able to create new threads and rate posts, you need to have at least 30 posts in The Cantina.
    Dismiss Notice
  4. Before posting a new thread, check the list with similar threads that will appear when you start typing the thread's title.
    Dismiss Notice

CGI characters - Did you like them?

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by tm0910196, Dec 15, 2016.

?

Did the CGI characters work?

  1. Yes, they were great

    60.9%
  2. Sort of - they resided in the uncanny valley

    34.1%
  3. Absolutely not, they looked bad

    5.0%
  1. ClosetCos

    ClosetCos Clone

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2016
    Posts:
    5
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    2
    Credits:
    341
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0 / -0
    CGI can be extremely useful in movies, however it must be handled delicately when interacting with non-CGI characters. I am not a fan of CGI humans talking with live action people. Usually it really highlights the difference between them, and I loose a little of the movie because my brain is auguring with itself trying to associate them as the same. I would rather have the producers find someone who really looked like the character and then just CG them a little to help with the differences. However, General Tarkin has such a distinct look that I know it would be difficult to find a doppelganger, and he was handled reasonably well in my opinion. After the initial surprise that he was there, and that he was CGI I was able to fully accept and look forward to his scenes. The same can not be said about Leia. I know that her character could have been just as dramatic if we only glimpsed her. This would be my "perfect ending" (my own opinion, I completely respect those who like the Leia ending)
    Have the movie end with a scene of Mon Mothma receiving the news that the infiltration was a success and that the plans were in-transit, then cut back to the Tantive IV with a voice-over of Mothma and one of her staff having a similar dialogue as Leia's, and at the end following one of the Rebels through the Tantive IV, when Mothma says "hope" have the door open, and there we see Leia as she glances down at R2D2. I was not a fan of the CGI of Leia, to me it wasn't really necessary as she had one line. I understand the importance of linking the ending of Rogue One to the original Trillogy, but it was a little too obvious for me.
     
    #121 ClosetCos, Dec 19, 2016
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2016
    • Like Like x 3
    • Informative Informative x 1
  2. Grand Admiral Kraum

    Grand Admiral Kraum Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2014
    Posts:
    2,417
    Likes Received:
    4,431
    Trophy Points:
    14,367
    Credits:
    8,316
    Ratings:
    +7,784 / 707 / -484
    They seriously need to fix the mouth movement on them. The CGI Leia was really poor.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Informative Informative x 1
  3. Ammogeddon

    Ammogeddon Rebel Commander

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2014
    Posts:
    87
    Likes Received:
    135
    Trophy Points:
    2,862
    Credits:
    801
    Ratings:
    +207 / 3 / -0
    I went in the knowledge that there were Tarkin and Leia CGI recreations. Because of this I found myself scrutinising them every second they were onscreen. A discerning eye will notice but I thought they did a great job. My wife didn't have a clue.

    I'm sure they'll be indistinguishable from the real thing in a few years. It's worth baring in mind they are having to hold up in an age of ultra high definition too.

    I think they work best in lower light or shadowy conditions. I would not be at all surprised to see Alec Guiness making an appearance as Obi wan force ghost in E8.
     
    • Like Like x 5
  4. tm0910196

    tm0910196 Guest

    Credits:
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0
    I think Lucasfilm needs to cut back on the tentacled creatures. They're not very Star Wars-ish.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Wise Wise x 2
    • Funny Funny x 2
  5. Jedi77-83

    Jedi77-83 Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2014
    Posts:
    2,280
    Likes Received:
    4,415
    Trophy Points:
    13,687
    Credits:
    5,799
    Ratings:
    +6,692 / 176 / -38
    No, this is something Lucas would have done.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  6. Ammogeddon

    Ammogeddon Rebel Commander

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2014
    Posts:
    87
    Likes Received:
    135
    Trophy Points:
    2,862
    Credits:
    801
    Ratings:
    +207 / 3 / -0
    What about the Dianoga in the Death Star trash compactor in ANH and the Sarlacc in ROTJ? I think there are some tentacles coming from within a cell in Jabbas palace too.

    That octopus mind reader had a cool name too; Bo Kalick. Wonder how it told Saw whether Bodhi Rook was telling the truth though?
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Wise Wise x 2
  7. RoyleRancor

    RoyleRancor Car'a'Carn

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2016
    Posts:
    5,793
    Likes Received:
    34,643
    Trophy Points:
    159,917
    Credits:
    25,704
    Ratings:
    +43,280 / 189 / -99
    Lucas would have made Bistan, K-2, Saw and all the creatures CGI. Limiting to two characters was not something Lucas would do.
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
    • Like Like x 1
    • Wise Wise x 1
    • Original Original x 1
  8. ClosetCos

    ClosetCos Clone

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2016
    Posts:
    5
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    2
    Credits:
    341
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0 / -0

    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    You know, I wondered that too! It completely left it in the dark as to HOW this octopus-Mindflayer projected his information for Saw to read, did it reach it's tentacles up Saw's head and spit out the information? Or did it use a translator, or computer projection?? And why did Bodhi regain his sanity? If Bo Kalic renders his victims insane, what switched? Perhaps all the tentacles do is suppress sanity - doesn't seem very scary then.
     
  9. DarthWalker

    DarthWalker Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    May 18, 2015
    Posts:
    1,267
    Likes Received:
    4,429
    Trophy Points:
    12,117
    Credits:
    5,656
    Ratings:
    +6,029 / 87 / -43
    The simple answer is yes, I liked them. After the initial theatre viewing, I have watched the Tarkin scenes over and over again when they get posted on Youtube, and he just looks and sounds amazing. The very first scene he was in, he looked a little bit "Polar Express", but certainly not horrible. But as his scenes went on, the detail vastly improved, even the way he said "vadar", in the classic Peter Cushing way made his presence more real. The Leia scene was off slightly, but I loved having it there. I would take the CGI on Leia any day of the week over the horrible Rathtar scene in TFA.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  10. SKB

    SKB Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2015
    Posts:
    2,476
    Likes Received:
    2,995
    Trophy Points:
    12,867
    Credits:
    6,763
    Ratings:
    +7,300 / 414 / -296
    I think Leia needs to blink her eyes after saying "Hope". Her expression is very fixed and blank and conveys little emotion. Or is that Alderaanian botox?!
    At some points, the Leia face literally looked like a mask over the physical actress's face and doesn't seem to blend perfectly.
    ;)
     
    #130 SKB, Dec 20, 2016
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2016
    • Like Like x 2
    • Informative Informative x 1
  11. Messi

    Messi G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2015
    Posts:
    3,074
    Likes Received:
    8,026
    Trophy Points:
    87,567
    Credits:
    12,047
    Ratings:
    +10,293 / 195 / -29
    The scenes of Tarkin and Leia are in youtube. Just watched them right now.

    Tarkin in some shots looks a little odd and artificial, but I loved all the scenes, what a nice feeling to see Peter Cushing alive.

    I don't have any complain about Leia scene, everything was perfect and natural. Great finale for a SW movie.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Informative Informative x 1
  12. cawatrooper

    cawatrooper Dungeon Master

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2016
    Posts:
    4,244
    Likes Received:
    18,788
    Trophy Points:
    145,167
    Credits:
    17,438
    Ratings:
    +23,053 / 64 / -38
    On a second viewing, I found Tarkin to be less jarring. Maybe it's because I was already expecting it, or maybe it's because I wasn't trying to pick them apart too bad.

    I mean, he's obviously CGI, but I enjoy his presence enough in the film to the point that I don't really care. Leia still looked flawless to me. Like, I'm still not even able to tell with her.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  13. daffy72

    daffy72 Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2014
    Posts:
    1,268
    Likes Received:
    2,874
    Trophy Points:
    11,277
    Credits:
    5,109
    Ratings:
    +4,428 / 69 / -25
    I was so overwhelmed at the Thursday night premiere I think a few neurons burned out. I was so amazed I couldn't even retain what he said xD

    Peter Cushing was a childhood hero of mine. I ended up watching the scene about 10 more times from a bad pan & scan before I could actually focus on what he was saying. lol. Went back to the theaters to see it again last night.

    i think anyone complaining about the effects in this movie must be high. That or we're not watching the same movie. It also inspired me to buy a Star Wars Tarkin action figure on ebay. lol. why is there no Black Series Tarkin or Thrawn or Captain/Admiral Needa? WTF?

    Loved it. This is as big a next step in visual storytelling as The Abyss and Jurassic Park were.
     
    #133 daffy72, Dec 20, 2016
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2016
    • Like Like x 3
    • Great Post Great Post x 2
  14. PrincessLeiaCB3

    PrincessLeiaCB3 The Princess that was Promised
    1030th Commander *** (Mod)

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2015
    Posts:
    3,665
    Likes Received:
    31,157
    Trophy Points:
    156,967
    Credits:
    36,499
    Ratings:
    +35,471 / 27 / -11
    Carrie Fisher has been asked a lot on Twitter about her opinion. Seems like she has not seen the movie yet!

    IMG_8107.PNG

    Agree. At first my mind was telling me "they're not real" so I was looking for any tiny detail to discredit the CGI work. The second viewing was better because I just let it go. Then I went home to watch ANH and didn't feel like it was a big deal.
     
    • Like Like x 5
    • Wise Wise x 1
  15. LadyMusashi

    LadyMusashi Archwizard Woo-Woo-in-Chief
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2015
    Posts:
    4,310
    Likes Received:
    34,755
    Trophy Points:
    161,027
    Credits:
    34,044
    Ratings:
    +42,038 / 44 / -17
    After seeing the movie again today - this time in 2D - I can say Tarkin and Leia work much, much better in 2D. Tarkin was much less creepy and the moments when his eyes previously distracted me were not as noticeable. I feel that they will work even better on a small screen and I am almost positive that ILM is still perfecting the effect - by the time DVD comes out they'll improve it even more.
     
    • Like Like x 5
    • Informative Informative x 1
    • Hopeful Hopeful x 1
  16. RedDog

    RedDog Rebel Trooper

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2015
    Posts:
    41
    Likes Received:
    49
    Trophy Points:
    132
    Credits:
    572
    Ratings:
    +75 / 1 / -0
    It was always difficult for me, as I knew they were done CGI so was looking closely if they looked "real", moved realistically etc. I think what proved they worked for me, was that my wife who saw the movie with me and who knows next to nothing about Star Wars, thought Tarkin was a real person on the set and did not suspect CGI at all. It can't fool the fans, as we know it isn't actually Peter Cushing there, but if it fools someone who doesn't know the background, then surely it was a success.
     
    • Like Like x 4
    • Informative Informative x 1
  17. WookieNookie

    WookieNookie Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2016
    Posts:
    102
    Likes Received:
    216
    Trophy Points:
    1,557
    Credits:
    1,022
    Ratings:
    +354 / 4 / -3
    Would rather have the film the way it was with CGI Tarkin and Leia than without. For me it's really only the mouth moments that give it away and its feasible that in a decade they could go back and fix that, along with improving skin tone. To manage this for a major character is yet another a mile stone in advancement of CGI (very much in the spirit of Lucas). They have " taken the first step into a larger world".
     
    • Like Like x 4
  18. FN-3263827

    FN-3263827 First Order CPS
    1030th General **** (Mod)

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2016
    Posts:
    10,000
    Likes Received:
    141,306
    Trophy Points:
    173,077
    Credits:
    68,814
    Ratings:
    +157,617 / 65 / -7
    in a weird way, the fact that people are saying my wife or girlfriend or casual SW fan buddy didn't know Peter Cushing has been dead for decades or even that Tarkin is a character from ANH kinda proves the pointlessness of the cameo for all but the initiated. maybe i'll feel differently when i see it again, but i wish they had kept his screentime to a brief scene only as they did with Leia.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Wise Wise x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  19. RockyRoadHux

    RockyRoadHux Ginger General

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2015
    Posts:
    2,005
    Likes Received:
    71,541
    Trophy Points:
    171,227
    Credits:
    42,383
    Ratings:
    +74,934 / 15 / -4
    Same here. Yes, you could easily spot the use of CGI, but 2D definitely improved the viewing experience.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Wise Wise x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  20. Messi

    Messi G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2015
    Posts:
    3,074
    Likes Received:
    8,026
    Trophy Points:
    87,567
    Credits:
    12,047
    Ratings:
    +10,293 / 195 / -29
    If in 10 or 20 years they improve the effects of Tarkin and Leia in RO, do we fans will complain about that? Hahaha

    "Ahhh they are changing the movie, I prefer the original."

    Probably we will complain.
     
    • Funny Funny x 3
    • Wise Wise x 1
Loading...

Share This Page