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CGI characters - Did you like them?

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by tm0910196, Dec 15, 2016.

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Did the CGI characters work?

  1. Yes, they were great

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  2. Sort of - they resided in the uncanny valley

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  3. Absolutely not, they looked bad

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    Both of my two viewings were in 2D and it worked for me.
     
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    CGI Tarkin was impressive. Most impressive.

    No seriously, CGI Tarkin blew my mind. If I didn't know better, I wouldn't of had a clue.
     
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    on second viewing, i still found myself staring, but i wasn't as creeped out. i still think it's a phenomenal achievement.
    just not sure i would like to see it in regular practice.
     
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    I agree. It worked for this movie, but I could see this becoming overused quickly.

    I saw the movie a second time with family today, and my sister had no idea Tarkin was "fake." She said, "I just thought he aged REALLY, REALLY WELL or something!" Guess she thought Cushing was younger in ANH. :p
     
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    I just read a great article at the New York Times about the CGI faces, and I was thrilled to find that it answered my question about why Tarkin looked less well-lit in Rogue One:

    Likeness vs Realism. Never would have guessed at that conflict, and how the filmmakers made a conscious decision to go with realism over likeness when it was an issue.
     
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    I loved them. Seriously, Tarkin and Leia were AWESOME.

    I've heard a lot of guys complaining on the Internet, but in the actual theater, people applauded.

    The only CGI that didn't really really work for me was Snoke in The Force Awakens, but I think the CGI in RO was outstanding.
     
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    Yeah this is kind of the dark horse for most disappointing thing about The Force Awakens, and also crappy thing most likely to carry over toward Ep 8 and 9. Hopefully they can somehow manage to make him look better and also make his character more unique, so he doesn't come across as a less interesting Voldemort derivative. Still, they'll never be able to fix the ridiculously over-dramatic delivery of lines like "Bring her to me!"
     
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    The CGI Snoke from TFA works fine to me. Also he appears as an holographic message, its not the real Snoke in flesh and bones. They will do a better job for VIII and IX, there are rumors.about his.character being pratical also.

    The.CGI in Rogue One its a masterpeice.btw.
     
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    I'm a bit undecided, I thought they were ok, but quite noticeably CGI. My mrs though (not really in to Star Wars) she was amazed when we came home and watched a new hope asking how tarkin was the same age in both films .
     
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    Same here. When I asked what my wife thought of CGI Tarkin, she asked if there were any other CGI characters than Leia. She had no idea.
     
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    I totally didn't mind CGI Tarkin or Leia. Seeing Tarkin for the first time will be one of my favorite moments while watching "Rogue One". I wasn't expecting it all, so it was a nice treat.
     
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    I've alway thought of the Star Wars films, and the work that the folks at ILM accomplish, as the forefront of film in terms of special effects. Lucas took it too far in the prequels. Snoke needed a lot more work in TFA, yet it did not bother my enjoyment of the film. I'm surprised that ppl didn't complain about Snoke as much as they've complained about Leia and Tarkin. John Knoll and ILM spearheaded this task of creating 2 CGI characters, much beloved by the fandom, and they did a marvelous job. I think this technology will be used often but I hope they will use it wisely. It can only get better with time.
     
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    I haven't gone through all the responses but as a person who has dabbled into 3D it always tends to bother me when you have pretty good CGI in a film but people still harp on it. This is one of those instances when the CGI is amazingly done, but for some reason, there is a group of people who harp on it. I could see if it was obviously badly done 3D effects, but Tarkin was not distracting for me at all. He flowed with the story and I found myself impressed with how they remodeled his face to that degree. The same with Leia at the end.

    In my humble opinion, in reality, we should get used to more of this when franchises want to go back and do quasi-prequels in which actors and actresses have aged beyond that role. I think this is a good tool for those times. I felt they did a good job here, one of the best I've seen in a while.
     
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    I get the bias against cgi but i just don't share it, I personally liked the way they used CGI in the prequels (at least Episodes 1 and 3), jeez i hope i don't get flack for that opinion.
     
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    I really liked the CGI characters. The moment Tarkin came on screen my friend and I looked at each with such amazement at what they did, it didn't bother us.
    I felt that they were used a good amount and it didn't pull me out of the film.
    When Leia came on screen I didn't expect it at all, very good. Actually by the end we were still hyped by Vader.
     
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    I thought they did a great job, Tarkin especially was terrifyingly brilliant.
     
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    It's not about whether it is good or bad CGI but rather whether it is necessary or not.
    For me, RO recycled waaaaay too much in terms of characters and dialogue. It relied upon ANH rather than creating its own context.
    I found Tarkin incredibly jarring, but worse than that I thought using him was unnecessary. Between Tarkin and Vader, Krennic was lost.
    Sure, the idea of the working class Imperial general sparring with the upper-class echelon was interesting but one scene with a hologram of Tarkin would've been enough. Or even Tarkin arriving at the end, after Krennic's demise and claiming the Death Star as his prize.

    Relating this back to Snoke as someone did above, again I hated that. I was disgusted when I watched TFA and it took me out of the film. If something that can done just as well without the use of CGI then that is how it should be done. If a CGI character is absolutely required to serve the story then sure go ahead. But I think RO's use of CGI was for negative reasons:

    1. Fan service
    2. Lacking of confidence in creating new characters and having them standalone
    3. Experimenting to see what they can get away with in other movies (CGI Luke Skywalker between ANH and TESB awaits perhaps?)
     
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    I really enjoyed their being in Rogue One. That being said I dont know how I feel if they did a CGI older Leia for episode IX.
    Its maybe a double standard but I say have her pass between 8 and 9.
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    "Terrifyingly brilliant" is a very good choice of words...I did get the feeling watching Rogue One that Tarkin looked slightly more "sinister" than he did in A New Hope.
     
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    After watching the film for the fourth time, I came to conclusion that the first scene Tarkin appears in was actually his worst. He is too shiny, the texture of the skin is not right. But, there are two scenes, both in front of the window looking out, where he looks perfect, even looking with the most critical eye. When the older officer (I forgot his name, we see only back of his head in A New Hope sitting at conference table) tells him about the attack on Scarif, the other is similar and a little earlier in the film. I don't know if the first scene was done first, but it makes sense they'd do it as a showcase of what they could do. I suspect that they would do additional work by home release to smooth it out.

    Leia though... Carrie did some work on her face (her nose and lips) and that is how we saw her for the longest time. Part of the uncanny valley effect is not just that we know she wasn't real, but that we have Carrie Fisher's contemporary face in mind. I wonder if the effect would have be lessened if they did what they did with X-Wings and ships, made them not look exactly like ANH ships, but like the ships we remember - from all three OT movies. Because she was a perfect ANH Leia, but not Leia we remembered.
     
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