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Chasing and tracking the Rebels in Hyperspace for the first time ever....how did the bad guys do it?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Light Savior, Dec 18, 2017.

  1. Spongebob456

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    Right and he didn't suggest using the device then I guess? Fair enough - no idea then haha. Sorry lol only seen the movie once and didn't pick up that bit.
     
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    Plot. All I can say.
     
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    Haha I completely missed that moment with Snoke. What was the situation then? Did he just go to Hux and say "what do we do now?" in response to the Resistance jumping to lightspeed?
     
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    Sorry for asking this but how did the Star Destroyed tracked Tantive IV after it went to hyperspace at the end of Rogue One? Did they use hyperspace tracking too back then and Leia forgotten about it in The Last Jedi?
     
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    I don't know maybe Vader planted a tracking device on the Tantive IV door, or maybe they were spotted later on Tatooine's orbit and Vader was notified.
     
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    And some of the smaller Star Destroyers could have hyperspace jumped a couple times to come out of a jump ahead of the Resistance instead of a silly 19 hour chase.
     
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    They would risk overshooting the target consideraby.
     
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    It appears the FO used Hyperspace tracking reliably for the first time in this film. Hux informs Snokes that when he went to his throne room, which is why he was allowed to live. Pretty simple and inferred in the film.

    As for tracking the Falcon through Hyperspace in ANH, remember that they had a physical tracker. "Are you sure the HOMING BEACON is secure aboard their ship? I'm taking an awful risk Vader, this had better work" -Tarkin

    The beacon Leia and Rey are wearing is the same thing except it's cloaked to anyone other than the other wearer. It's called a CLOAKED BINARY BEACON for a reason.

    The idea of jumping to hyperspace and then jumping back but just ahead of the fleet makes some sense, but seems like a little too much when you have them in your sights and are enjoying picking them off slowly.

    I'm betting the Rebels will employ some type of hyperspace jamming device to scramble the hyperspace tracking of the FO.

    For those that asked about why can't they track the Falcon at the end, I'm guessing you would need to be tracking a ship in range, then when they jump you don't lose the signal. If you're not already on their scope and tracking, then you can't use it.
     
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    They didn't "overshoot" the target when they dropped out of hyperspace right behind the resistance now did they? They were tracking the lead ship which gave them pinpoint accuracy as to where to drop out of hyperspace.
     
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    Things are rolling out.

    Fans found a fleet chase is derivate.

    Fleet chasing plot is a setup that is directly plucked from the Battlestar Galactica episode “33”



    The Galactica and the other remaining ships - with about 50,000 people aboard them all - are being pursued by the Cylons. They are forced to jump into hyper space every 33 minutes. Somehow, the Cylons know where they are going and appear exactly 33 minutes after the Galactica arrives. The crew hasn't slept for over 130 hours now and everyone is exhausted.

     
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    But why would they even bother jumping in extra material they probably need elsewhere, the reason why the raddus eventually rammed the supremacy was because Hux didn't see through the ploy, not because he failed to send in extre ships. There are already 33 ships chasing (visual dictionary) chasing the Raddus, 7 of which are waiting on the far side of Crait to intercept.
    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 21, 2017, Original Post Date: Dec 21, 2017 ---
    That's an analogy. An analogy is something different from being just derivative. But I do agree the plotline might have been inspired by BSG. Perhaps even this episode. But then its also a genius rework. In episode '33 we' are suspecting a hidden cylon or a tracker of constantly relaying the location of the ship. In TLJ we expect Holdo to be the traitor, but she isn't. It plays with our expectations for scenes like this. That's not a bad thing. The bomber scene was inspired by '12oclock high' and the fight scene in Snoke's throneroom by the dojo fight in 'crunching tigre hidden dragon'.

    By the way: I absolutely love the reboot BSG series. :)
     
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    Son,face it TLJ is far from masterpiece.
    Prayers of the People are already turning in the dirrection of EP.IX.
     
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    He is allowed to consider it a masterpiece. You are allowed to not consider it a mastepiece. No need to try and change his opinion. Discussion is good, but telling him to "face" the fact that it isn't a masterpiece seems a little arrogant to me. Lot's of fans are dissapointed, lots of fans are happy too.
     
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    Seriously? I never said they had to bring in extra ships or materials. There are at least half a dozen star destroyers in the First Order fleet that was following the Resistance. By the movies own logic, we find out that any one of those ships have the capability of tracking the Resistance's ships, as that is why Poe's idea of just blowing up Snoke's ship wouldn't work, as Finn and Rose tell Poe, the First Order would just start tracking them from one of the other ships.

    Let's not even get into why the First Order wouldn't just be redundant and track the resistance ships from every one of their ships just to be safe, let's also not even get into how Finn and Rose would even know that they were only tracking from Snoke's ship and that the First Order wouldn't be redundant.... We can skip those gems of story writing, and get right to what I have already said a couple times now.

    If all the First Order ships are capable of tracking the Resistance ships, as the movie tells us they are, well than Hux can just tell three of those Star Destroyers that are just tagging along to jump a ways outside of the chase, than those star destroyers (because they are tracking the Resistance ships) can than jump back into the chase, except come out in front of the Resistance ships instead of behind. This would effectively cut the Resistance off. Think what Vader did to the Rebel fleet at the battle of Scariff (Rogue One).

    No other outside ships needed, because as we find out from Rey, that vast encyclopedia of sudden magical knowledge, the First Order would conquer the galaxy within a week (so they probably needed those ships elsewhere), not to mention a historian of what happened between Luke and his Father on the Death Star, not to mention a knowledgeable Jedi Master that without a single lesson on the Dark Side and what it even is, knows Kylo Ren can be turned from it. I mean...Even though destroying the resistance was of the highest priority that even Snoke himself wanted to be there to oversee it. So yeah, pulling ships from outside the chase wouldn't be of importance to Snoke, but, than again, like I said, there were enough other Star Destroyers just sitting around burning fuel that they didn't need to pull ships from anywhere else...
     
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    This state of the art technology is only installed on the Supremacy, not on any other vessel. It is never said that every first order ship has hyperspace tracking. It is said that they are doing so only "from the lead ship".
     
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    Umm yes it is said that they could start tracking from another ship. When Finn and Rose are telling Poe about the tracking, Poe suggests just blowing up snokes ship and than hyper-spacing out, to which Rose and Finn reply that they would just start tracking from one of the other ships that were following them. In fact Finn's reply to Poe's idea was "I like where your head's at", the joke of that was Poe was just demoted for rushing in and destroying stuff without thinking about it, and here he was suggesting more of the same.

    That is why they come up with the whole convoluted plan of getting on board Snokes ship and just turning the tracking off, it would give them "6 cycles" to jump to hyperspace before anyone in the First Order realized the tracking was off.
     
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    Can't wait till we're back to some decent writing in ep9. Every scenes (except for snoke's) is just... fan fiction. Very bad fan fiction.

    Lucas, you're forgiven. Jar Jar, you're out best hope.

    Darkness arises, and Light to meet it!
    Long live the Supreme Leader!
     
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