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Chosen One Heritage Story

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by DarthPilkington, Sep 12, 2014.

  1. DarthPilkington

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    after watching the prequel trilogy my only question (other than the obvious, why didn't Jar Jar Binks have a bigger role in episodes 2 and 3?? lol) was who is Anakin's father? I understand the whole immaculate conception thing they threw at us, but it's like they intentionally glossed over this very important plot point. I'm not sure if it was an intentional omission, if maybe old george just didn't want the story to be about that, but I would personally love to explore that idea further.

    so I did. I looked up some EU stuff and found out that Darths Plagueis and Sidious were responsible somehow, but that the Force rejected their attempts and created the one that would ultimately end their reign/search for power. Sidious hedged his bets on turning Anakin and it backfired when Luke came around. after that, chronologically, I'm not sure what happened to this story arc in the EU. now that Disney is saying that pretty much all EU stuff is out though, that omission in the script is even more glaring.

    I imagine Luke asking himself questions about his past post-ROTJ, beginning a search into the mystery of the Force and where he came from. Han and Leia's children (should our young leads indeed be their children) would be tied into this as they are also direct descendants of... what? the Force? what does that mean?

    I'm hoping for some crazy metaphysical madness about the balance of the Force and how Anakin, along with his descendants, are really instruments of the Force. the idea of being controlled by some Force that just seemingly decided you should exist would be enough for an unhinged person to go the dark side, right? a, no one controls me! sort of mentality. sooo much potential in this story!! what if there's some other power out there that's created another Force-child? what is being a Force-child all about? questions, questions...
     
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    You summed it up very well. The only thoughts that I have is if Luke goes in search for answers ultimately he is going to uncover the midi-chlorians, and I know people don't what to hear anymore about them, but it is part of the story and it's knowledge that has been suppressed after the Sith took control of the galaxy. For all we know, what Sidious told Anakin in the opera scene about the power the Sith has may have been a lie to lure him to the darkside.

    I was under the impression that all of Anakin's descendants would have been as powerful in the Force as he was and would then defend and rule the galaxy like demigods, since Anakin's father seemed to be the Force. Some descendants would be tempted by the darkside and some would reject it, it is the human element of them, because everyone is born differently and have skewed point of views.

    Also, the appearance of Force ghosts in conjunction with the birth of "the chosen one" would have council with Luke, whenever and wherever he may be, to help him answer these questions.
     
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    I don't know how uber-powerful I'd want the Skywalker line to be; it almost become that story line from Clone Wars, the one with the father and the two kids that represent the light and dark sides of the Force. Besides, if Obi-Wan can beat Anakin then that proves that they're not all powerful.

    I think it'd be cool if, in his search for the truth behind his lineage, Luke uncovers something primordial and evil, spurring him to train a new hope to defeat it...
     
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    The prophecy miss read could have been. Perhaps the chosen one was to bring balance by procreation and from him a direct line of guardians of the balance. So if to provide balance a decedent of Anakin would be either dark sided champion or light side champion. Depending on what is need for balance.
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    Anakin brought balance by helping to wipe out the very large Jedi order. Leveling the playing field as it were. Leaving 2 sith and 2 jedi living. Thus balance. But when obiwan and then Yoda die the force is again out of balance. So Luke redeems his father who then dies after killing the emporer. Anakin is attempting to re balance the force . But by killing off Palpatine the left 1 jedi alive no true dark side power to match that of Luke Skywalker and his power directly decended to the force through Anakin. So for Balance i think some one of direct decent from Anakin would have to go to the dark side. Or at least another powerful darksider. To Balance luke and any other jedi he has trained or found or whatever.
    Just my slightly drunk Tuesday ramblings.
     
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    I speculated in the midi-chlorian thread that the knowledge of the Force may have been out of balance, and all knowledge of the midi-chlorians were suppressed, hidden, forgotten and Luke learned of the Force without their knowledge. It may be that the chosen one's (Anakin's) destiny was to erase the knowledge of the midi-chlorians, so that his descendants may learn to use the Force without the awareness of the symbiont relationship between them. In the prequels there were many who had this knowledge and by the original trilogy it was an "ancient religion" for sorcerers (Vader) and wizards (Obi-Wan).
     
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    Obi-Wan only defeated Anakin due to the latter's own arrogance.

    I have discussed before and like the idea that the chosen one prophecy speaks to the lineage of Anakin and that a fitting end to a potential 12th episode would be the final descendant sacrificing themselves against the final foe and this truly bringing balance to the force as well as ending the main saga by the death of the last heir ofSkywalker

    Are we still trying to sweep Midichlorians under the rug and pretend they don't exist because they "ruin" the mystery of the Force? Smh
     
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    I like that idea. Begin with the "Force concieved" Anakin, who passes the legacy onto Luke/Leia, who in turn pass it onto the main leads of EP VII-IX, then possibly their children who will ultimately sacrifice themselves, ending the Force concieved line, thus balancing the Force.
     
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    Power isn't enough but the knowledge to use it. Anakin was far more powerful than Obi-Wan. That's the point of the scene. He felt all that power but didn't know how to use it all hence he was overconfident and thought he could leap over Obi-Wan and get the advantage.

    Obi-Wan always keeps his head and doesn't fall into the Sith trap of over-confidence which was the ruin of Vader, Maul and Sidious.
     
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    I think it's a moot point, really; the fact that Obi-Wan won at all shows that Anakin was not all-powerful. Anakin may have been the most powerful Jedi, but he wasn't all-powerful. You picking up what I'm putting down? My original point was that he idea of the Skywalker's roaming around like demi-gods is a little far fetched.

    I do like the idea of the Skywalker line being passed down and the implications that would have, but they'd better be careful; otherwise it'll end up just like those episodes in Clone Wars. As cool as that all was, I'd prefer something new. Who knows, maybe Luke creates a whole new Jedi order, causing the believers in the old ways (both Jedi and Sith) to fight against his teachings.
     
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    My only point about them being like demigods was based on the mythologies of Godlike figures procreating with humans and creating heroes of legend. They would be, in a sense paranormal, slightly above normal beings or other Force sensitives because of their relationship to the Force.
     
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    I would love it if they just like ignored the prophecy of the chosen one thing for the Sequel Trilogy. (and I bet they will)

    Prophecies are lame...

    ...Okay that's just my opinion, but it just doesn't seem like something that would be in Star Wars. Darth Vader was (in the context of the Original Trilogy) just a guy (one of the last of the Jedi knights) who got seduced by the Galactic Emperor with the promise of power from using the dark side of the Force, and hunted down and killed (almost) every other Jedi. But then he just ended up being a minion of the Emperor, who now had no Jedi knights to oppose him. (and only the Imperial Senate in the way of his absolute power)

    But he wasn't some kind of space messiah.
     
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    They never said he was a Messiah, just that he would ballance the Force. This could be seen by him killing Palpatine in JEDI.
     
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    Perhaps Luke's going into seclusion is because, in order to maintain balance, He must remain neutral in the force.
     
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    Good possibility.
     
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    Power needs knowledge to use it. That is part of the power. He was always impatient. That is the character arc through the films.
     
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