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Cinematography of TROS

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by JCooper1995, May 2, 2019.

  1. JCooper1995

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    I recently saw a thread on twitter and a similar discussion on another message board, so it got me to wondering how The Cantina thinks the cinematography of Episode IX will play out? In my humble opinion, all of the Disney movies have their positives in this department, but each have also had aspects that made them stand on their own.

    When I first watched TFA, I thought JJ Abrams and Dan Mindel made the best visual Star Wars movie in a long time. However, time hasn't been as kind and some parts really don't jive as well as they did then. Examples of this include the blue/red "modern sci-fi" tint used and the lack of classic "you-know-it's-Star Wars" shots (the only ones that really come to mind are the shot of Rey on her speeder with the wrecked Star Destroyer in the background and the one of her walking with BB8 towards the sunset after they meet). Also, in a lot of scenes, you can tell Abrams has plenty of experience in television, as some seem more like a TV show than a film. However, the action scenes I felt were great and it's still pleasing to watch overall.

    With TLJ, I was blown away and I think visually it's the best Star Wars movie ever. It has more realistic and traditional coloration for a SW film and has many of the classic style shots mentioned above (the Falcon leaving Ahch-To as Luke watches it fly away, Luke and Yoda watching the tree burn, Kylo and Rey pushing back on one another as they try to get Anakin's saber, Luke staring down the First Order on Crait, and even Broom Boy gazing into space at the end). Rian Johnson and Steve Yedlin definitely brought their A-game.

    For TROS, with Abrams and Mindel back in the fold, I hope they can strike a balance between the 2 styles that came in its ST predecessors. I think the trailer sort of seemed like they might (one thing I noticed was the lightsaber colors were more traditional and not insanely bright like TFA), but you can never tell until we see the final product. Regardless, these guys are pros, so I'm sure they are up to the task.

    What are your all's thoughts on the cinematography of TROS?
     
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    I love both cinematography's, TFA and TLJ. But I think TFA has most of the beautiful shots of the entire saga. They are too many. I'll be happy if JJ and his cinematographer can achieve that once again.

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    Wow, forgot totally about this one, I remember it stood out on opening day. Just another reason for me to watch TFA again!
     
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    Daniel Mindel is a master of Cinematography:

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    He knows spacing and framing:

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    But also close ups:

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    And don't forget that Paul Englis (Blade Runner 2049) is also a part of TROS. This movie could be the most beautiful Star Wars ever.
     
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    I like Rian's as well. I think often JA tries to be a bit too Spielberg and they come off a little too composed sometimes. Rian's feels more modern and more intimate. JA has more "wows".
     
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    I thought TFA looked great , but when I first saw TLJ I was in awe. I'd never seen a SW film look so good. Luke and Kylo on Crait is probably my personal favourite.

    However, Rey Vs the TIE in TROS trailer looks flippin' good too. I can't wait!
     
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    Some stills of TLJ, too. Actually its very hard to pick the best one in visuals.

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    This could be a centuries old oil painting.
     
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    Yes! Just sumptuous. I remember the cinema was tense at that moment, and I just said "Wow" and the guy next to me looked at me, and nodded.

    @Messi Thank you!
     
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    so much gorgeous character study stuff in this too. : D
     
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    I personally got a better feel from the cinematography in TFA. There was a grand sense of scale in that film.

    Not that I didn't think there were some lovely shots in TLJ, too... but too much of the film felt... constricted... Part of it may have come from the story itself... everything feeling smaller (i.e. the size of the Resistance), but I didn't get the sense of it being a huge conflict with galaxy wide consequences like in TFA... and I think the cinematography had something to do with that, too. Except for the opening battle scene in TLJ, everything just felt very... restricted. In TLJ there just did not seem to be some of the grandiose landscapes and scenery, where you feel a vast sense of space (area, not actual SPACE)... like some of the still shots from TFA that others have posted above.

    Overall, TFA was a grand galaxy-wide conflict, while TLJ seems more like an intimate character portrait. But perhaps that is exactly what the two different filmmakers were each respectively trying to accomplish.

    Just my two cents.
     
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    I thought TFA's cinematography was masterfully done. It combined Return of the Jedi with JJ's Mission Impossible 3 style and it really worked.

    I also love the "smoky" look Rian went for in TLJ, with the slightly off focus in places.. it made it feel more Blade Runner-like. It would be great to see TROS combine the two somehow.. and bring in some more Lucas-style establishing and mid-shots.
     
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    This.

    Actually with TFA I always could tell what the characters were feeling by simply looking at their faces, JJ unlike Rian Johnson really can capture facial expressions masterfully- even from not so stellar actors like for Daisy Ridley.
     
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    I think we'll be in for a treat for the eyes. With months on shoot, I'm very sure Dan Mindel, JJ Abrams and crew pulled off gorgeous cinematography for the whole film. I'll be rooting for Dan Mindel's first Oscar Nod for Best Cinematography. :)
     
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    The vibe I'm getting from the little they've told us about the production is they're really going all out. They're going to do their absolute best to honor the entire saga and understand that responsibility, but also feel comfortable enough to bring in new ideas. I think The Rise of Skywalker will be a feast for the eyes. I think we will see a lot of people's best work.
     
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    I agree. I connected more with JJ's cinematography and felt that each shot was at the service of story and character, which wasn't frequently the case in TLJ. Also in TFA all actors looked much better (better lighting, angles, hair, costumes...) and their performances felt more purposeful. Probably the exception is Daisy, who looked just as amazing in TLJ as in TFA and also had beautifully acted moments in TLJ, enhanced by the many close ups.
     
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    I think TFA did a fantastic job with cinematography. My favorite iconic image is one of the ones posted above with Rey on Jakku with the massive, half-buried Star Destroyer in the background. I'm expecting similar quality from TROS.
     
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    I'm no expert in cinematography, however, when a scene catches your breath, you know the cinematographer has done his/her job. Even though I wasn't a big fan of TLJ, there is some beautiful cinematography in it especially on Ahc-to and Crait. TFA also has some sweeping scenes as well especially on Jakku. The TROS teaser has some spectacular shots of Wadi Rum and my hope it's a taste of some gorgeous cinematography to come.
     
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    They've been killing it with the cinematography. Rogue One was great too. From what we've seen so far, Rise of Skywalker will be no exception. c9262bcbf72f0549952e16ea2acc59f7.jpg Rogue-One-Official-Trailer-2-Still-Darth-Vader-featured.jpg Rogue-One-A-Star-Wars-Story-10.jpg star-wars-rogue-one-death-star-eclipse.jpg
     
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