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Claims of Mark Hamill not liking Luke in TLJ

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Bluemilk, May 6, 2017.

  1. Bluemilk

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    So there are all these videos on Youtube saying Mark doesn't like Luke Skywalker in TLJ, or he dislikes Rian's direction ,etc of Luke.

    Is there any real truth to this or is he just downplaying Luke for the sake of the new cast? Meaning making them more important than Luke. I've watched a few of the interviews they(being these yahoo's who think they know everything)and I just get the sense there is just subtext behind it. And Mark is only playing along and not being real. You never know when he's being truthful because they can't say much of anything anyway.

    So if you know what I'm talking about, then what do you think? Is Mark being truthful or just stringing us along and downplaying Luke?

    It doesn't matter either way to me. He can not like Luke's direction if he likes and still go along for the good of the story.
     
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    I think you are referring to the YouTube channel "Jar Jar Abrams", aren't you?

    No, it's not entirely true. You should watch the whole TLJ panel of the SWC. Mark Hamill loves Rian Johnson, he even said that Rian is the best director Star Wars ever had.
    Yes, it's true Mark kinda disagrees with Luke's portrayal in the ST. But that's not a bad thing, actually it's a good thing! I think Hamill wanted Luke to be more like the old EU Luke, but Rian wanted to make something completely new, original.

    Furthermore, Mark has a pretty special kind of humor. :D
     
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    Well I figured as much. But I suddenly started seeing these videos about all that and I was like, I hadn't heard anything like that. I mean, I don't watch those videos and stuff but I was just seeing what they were even talking about, but they themselves seem to be deadset on not liking anything ST or TLJ anyway.
     
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    This Jar Jar Abrams dude uses a lot of clickbait titles and clever editing to fool people. It's kinda sad. Don't trust these videos. Mark Hamill is thrilled about his involvement in the ST. :D
     
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    I think the issue is Mark was still expecting Luke to be a Hero in this movie and that is not his role... and Rian challenged this character... taking Mark out of his comfort zone. Also, Mark is laying the groundwork for what to expect from Luke. He needed to set that expectation with the fans. Jj said it was one of his best performances ---his character is key to the story. However, I think we are getting hints of Luke from the poster. Two skywalker men in red in the sky. Ben's picture is not as big as Lukes could that mean Ben's sin is not as great as Luke's?
     
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    He didn't see the movie. How could he know ?

    BTW, as long as I like it ...
     
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    I've watched the panel (and the interviews) and what I've got is that was he was... surprised.
    Same as Daisy.
    I agree with this
    But I'd say he expected Luke to be the Luke we knew from the OT.
    But Rian's view was that something happened and changed him, or that he's just in a crisis.
    I must say, I guess this path is dangerous because you may disappoint not only Hamill's expectations, but those of the fandom too.
    But it's also the most brave choice and if it works, it could pay off heavily. :)
     
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    I personally want Luke to be a broken and "weak" man. So Rian is taking it to the right direction. :D
     
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    It's probably a bunch of overzealous trying to gain information from every world that mark says
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    --- Double Post Merged, May 6, 2017, Original Post Date: May 6, 2017 ---
    Why
     
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    Because it's fitting for the overall story. I've never seen Luke as the greatest Jedi ever. Furthermore, Luke was ridiculously overpowered in the old EU. I don't want to see that.
     
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    Oh yeah I don't want to see anyone fight and be close to powerful as anakin but being weak and broken? I think that's expecting a bit much. Suddenly seeing him weak and broken after ROTJ, granted there's a bit over 30 years of a difference, t would be a great disservice to suddenly see him broken and alone without too much prior knowledge
     
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    He lost everything in these 30 years. So it's quite understandable for him to be broken, isn't it? I don't get why people are thinking Luke has to be strong in the ST. He wasn't that "strong" in the OT. Yes, he will be wise but strong? I don't know. Don't get me wrong Luke is one of my most favorite characters in SW...
     
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    A jedi isn't supposed to be attached to anything so it's strange that Luke felt he lost something.
     
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    Even a Jedi would feel lost when his own nephew destroys his entire Jedi academy and kills all the students.
     
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    He's not supposed to be. Much to learn he still has.

    There is no death, there is the Force.
     
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    Obi-Wan looked pretty lost after he had left Anakin too. To be attached to something is human even for a Jedi.
     
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    Mark Hamill who has a certain ownership over the character had preconceived notions of where Luke's journey would take him following ROTJ. He more than anyone would not want Luke's legacy to be tarnished. He initially completely disagreed with Rian's choices for Luke, however, he also said he was wrong about the reaction to how J.J. ended TFA.

    I don't sense anything in what he's stated that he's not elated with the direction of his character and the franchise.
     
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    His last action was being fried by the Palpatine. Maybe that's done something as far as weakening him.

    I'm just happy to see Luke again even if he has gone weird on us. If he's just a mentor to Rey and doesn't do much fighting, that's ok with me too. Of course I would be over the moons if he lights up.
     
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    Even if this is true, it dosen't mean too much imo. Mark Hamill is an actor, not a writer. Maybe he dosen't see what Rian Johnson sees. Maybe some of the audience won't either. Imo this is good news btw, it probably means we're going to see something truly original, not an EU clone.

    *Edit
    I'd like to add that it's great to see someone in the magnitude of Hamill openly criticising some of the creative decisions. Who dared/was allowed to criticise Lucas during the production of the prequels? But eeeeevil Disney, who controls everything, eh?
     
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    I think people are blowing this out of proportion. I think it's that tongue in cheek thing that has been said before by him and Carrie even said this, that the character have been so identified with them that they almost thought they should have a say in their story, and that it wouldn't be where they think they would go. I don't think he wants you to take it seriously. Though a lot of us, he included, probably hoped for some kind of reunion with all the characters which is natural, and the fact he didn't get the experience a lot of the other actors did with the first one, of working together again, and all that.
     
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