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SPECULATION Clarification around snoke

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Callosbruh, Dec 18, 2015.

  1. Callosbruh

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    What was snoke doing around the time of the empire, and just how powerful is he?

    its apparent he hasn't taught kylo that well.
     
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    Sleeping perhaps? Or being dead, hmmm?
     
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    That just shows he isn't Plagueis then.
     
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    Or he thought that teaching a student to much can creat problems later. Therefore he teaches Klyo just the things he needs to know. Like interrogation because thats all he needs to fulfill his task to find Luke.
    That would make him wise.
     
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    Not really sure why people are upset with Kylo. He took a bowcaster to the gut. Which they several times made clear was really powerful.

    Also Vader lost in ANH. He was sent packing by Han Solo . . . not even FS.
     
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    If he's Plagueis, then I'd imagine he was recuperating from Palpatine's attack while biding his time to build/rebuild the First Order, which I believe to be named after his original conception for what the Empire should have been under his command, hence the seemingly egotistical name of being "first."

    The name "First Order" could also distinguish it from the remnants of the Empire if the Empire was split into different factions after its fall. You could have the First Order alongside a unified remnant of the Empire under the command of a Grand Admiral Thrawn-esque character, maybe with classic storm troopers, weapons, and vehicles.
     
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    Emperor Palpatine had contingency orders set for if/whenever he was dead. You remember Order 66, right? the order that eliminated all Jedi in Revenge of the Sith?

    Order 1 of those contingency orders, The very first order, stated that if ever the emperor was killed or died, that the remnants of the Empire across the galaxy should gather together and preserve the Empire. Thus, the name " The First Order" (Order 1 of the contingency plans

    The First Order isn't made up as some people like to think, it ties back to the PT and was a great idea IMO.
     
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    He was a dusted marble bust that came to life like Beauty and the Beast during The OT z
     
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    Haha this^ We'll probably see kylo's true strength in 8 with the dark side getting the upper hand going into 9
     
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    Where is that Order you mentioned actually stated? I tried looking it up before but couldn't find anything concrete.

    Here's a list of orders. I can't find an Order 1.

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cont...ublic:_Order_Initiation,_Orders_1_Through_150
     
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    I can't find the link where I got this information, but you won't find it on google thats for sure, I've tried myself since, to link it, but it was indeed an article I read. Makes perfect sense, and I forget if the info was said by JJ or not, but we might learn more about it in episode 8. I heard many times "The First Order" is based off order 1 of the palpatines contingency plans, and the empire did gather their resources to preserve the empire.
     
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    Am calling it now... Snoke's physically dead and is communicating w/ Ren (and company) through the force.
     
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    i had that idea and everyone shamed me.
     
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    It would make a good twist.... the Sith refusing to stay dead trying to manipulate Vader's descendent into resurrecting their ranks......also, kinda hard to kill someone's who's already dead.
     
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    The hardest thing to do for them (anyone who is/was involved in the ST writing) is to explain away a new "super villain" because of how the OT was told and ended. To me Plagueis would be sort of a cop out. I would rather see them come up with something new and original. Maybe in some way snoke ties in with plagueis or palps but thats it. I find it very interesting that Han and Leia seem to know snoke. At some point did he present himself as a friend? Did he deceive Luke, Han and Leia so that he could seduce Ben? hmmmmmmmm....his backstory will be the most interesting to explain away.
     
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    I'm not saying that you're incorrect, as I've heard that speculation before. But what you're telling me is that there isn't anything to show that it's actually true.

    So idk, it seems like my speculation is just as applicable.
     
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    Just like how we know that the Jedi are more in tune with the spiritual nature of things, & aspire to become spirits after death to survive, it's always written that the Sith are obsessed with the physical, & will hold onto their physical bodies at all costs.

    I think with what we know about Plagueis, his command over life & death, it is TOTALLY possible that he survived Sidious's assassination attempt, & that perfectly explains how he "watched the Empire rise & fall" as well as why he is so scarred, crippled, vulnerable & distant.

    It is also, IMO, highly plausible that the reason Kylo Ren's training is incomplete, is because Plagueis is weary to teach another student "everything he knew".
     
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    You're right. I guess it's up to which one makes more sense. I just happen to lean towards mine. You could be totally right.
     
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    He hasnt finished Kylo's training. And Kylo is in conflict with his passion for the darkside.
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    No it doesnt. Snoke is disfigured. Might Sidous believe he killed his master in the duel/typical sith backstabbing in where Plagueis/snoke os disfigured and not actually dead.

    I know its not canon (w/e that really means) but Bobba survives the pitt and Maul is rebuilt. Nething can go.
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    As far as ive read, the general consensus is that Snoke and Luke might have trained or been involved somehow. Han and Leia know who Snoke is which is the biggest suggestion that Snoke is not Plagieus unless Snoke pulled a Palpatine.
     
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    Why would Han and Leia not know the Supreme Leader of the First Order? Wouldn't it be a bit silly if they would not know a public character and someone like their brother/friend wouldn't had told them what happened with Ben during training?
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    What are you talking about? Kylo read minds, froze people and frigging blaster bolts, force push and pulls..
    He did more stuff than most jedi/sith we've seen before :)
     
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