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Clone Wars, better than the PT?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Clone Wars' started by thx1138, Dec 5, 2014.

  1. thx1138

    thx1138 Clone Commander

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    Even though it's a cartoon, I've actually enjoyed watching Clone Wars as an adult, and actually prefer it to watching the PT.

    It has some interesting characters, a touch of humor (yes, it still has the clumsy jar jar and battle droid stuff, but some of it is actually quite hilarious, but mainly I mean the constant banter between Obi-wan and Anakin), and some pretty good action sequences. Obviously you take some of it with a pinch of salt as cartoons generally have some artistic freedom to go a little beyond the realms, but it's addictive. I love characters like Ahsoka and Plo Koon. But even familiars such as Yoda with his backwards way of talking is somewhat comforting and nostalgic.

    With the exception of a few boring episodes, I believe they went to some great effort to undo some of the bad rep from the PT, and it's clearly because the writers/producers had a free reign to make it as cool as possible - they probably had an outline for some episodes from GL, but basically did what the hell they wanted. They didn't make Anakin like Hayden; they gave him the same character traits and appearance, but made him more likable. The PT Anakin just irritates me. Clone Wars Anakin seems more mature and wiser (due to the master/apprentice relationship with Ahsoka).

    Also, having grown up watching the OT, I had the impression that Obi-Wan and Anakin were great friends that went on a lot of adventures, that Anakin was a great pilot. I don't really get much of that from the PT alone. Clone Wars has painted that picture much better.

    Just thought I'd throw these thoughts out there, anyone else agree?
     
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  2. Dynamixx88

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    I like the movies of course, but what we get from Clone Wars conflict is beginning in E2 and end in E3.
    I really love Clone Wars for expanding the conflict, taking it to a whole new realm so you can imagine, how big and long the conflict was and how much stories happened. Not to mention that I prefer Matt Lanter's voice to Christensen's more likable and therefore I like CW's version of Anakin a lot more than the movie one.
    Not so with others - but the Obi-wan's actor is doing darn good job of pulling off Ewan McGregor in impression.

    In the rest of my opinion, I totally agree with your post and see it the same way :)
     
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    For me, the best part was seeing all the things not touched on by the PT, due to lack of time and not being super-relevant to the story. By that I mean all the in-depth stuff with the clone troopers (the humanizing aspect foremost), the people in the public that protested against the war and the Jedi for participating it, seeing the bridges of the Republic ships with their crew looking almost just as in the OT, but with the same faces.... Seeing a Republic admiral for that matter.

    Just the things that filled in all those things that much more. And yes, the characters. Many people grew attachments to certain Jedi, making Order 66 seem all that more tragic.
     
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    Matt's voice is wayyy better than Christensen's. No disrespect to Hayden of course, he probably played the part to George's liking, not his own. Ob-Wan's was tough, I would've preferred Ewan, but the character still pulls off I reckon.

    Agree on the Clone troopers. We never really see them under the helmet and interact in the movies - we just assume they're all smug and serious like Jango Fett, but you definitely find out that they're all a little different in one way or another.
     
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    I definitely like The Clone Wars, but personally I also enjoy the PT for bringing my podracing, Jango Fett, Coruscant, etc. If I have to say so myself, it is more watchable than The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones, but on par with Revenge of the Sith. The best part has to be how it works well within the PT continuity, has connections to the OT, and is amazing with handling Anakin and the clone troopers. Even the Jar-Jar episodes were fun to watch, and much less cringe-worthy than expected.
     
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    You need to add a Voting Poll for that question.

    My vote: Most definitely.
     
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    Primer Only!

    Clone Wars is a great primer for someone wanting to get into Star Wars without feeling burdened by all the storyboarding pillars.

    Nevertheless, it's not as good as the PT, which offers us a very lavish portrait of the young Anakin turning into Darth Vader.
     
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    Great post. By watching TCW I have grown fond of Anakin and I can see his fall to the Dark Side more heartbreaking than just by watching the PT.

    It's funny since I just posted that in TCW I can see more how Anakin and Padme's love-story is unfolding - and it's more endearing as we know how that will end.

    I would have preferred the PT to include action in the Clones Wars and that we could have met Ahsoka and see her departure included into the movies as another heavy burden in Anakin's heart.

    It's Uncle George's fault! (With AOTC Anakin's whiny voice)
     
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    Interestingly enough, early drafts and ideas for The Phantom Menace and prequel trilogy had it start during The Clone Wars, involved a 14 year-old Anakin Skywalker, and he would have lost body parts throughout the trilogy. By Revenge of the Sith, approximately half of Anakin's body would be cybernetic.

    Even earlier plans had considered the development of a prologue film, giving context to the start of the war. These were eventually merged to create The Phantom Menace.
     
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    Wow, knowing that makes it just more frustrating. TPM would have worked great as a prologue novel to the PT, considering Maul dies and the Trade Federation's motivations were unclear and confusing.
     
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    Actually, The Clone Wars did wonders for my appreciation of prequel era. Everything promised in Obi-Wan's speech from ANH was in it: Anakin as a great Jedi, pilot, friend, his relationship with Obi-Wan, Ahsoka, Clones, Palpatine...

    In The Clone Wars I got what prequels promised to be, reversed Original Trilogy - from hero's journey to hero's fall. What I didn't believe in the prequels, I started believing in the show. I couldn't connect to a single character in the movies, but after The Clone Wars, I appreciate Revenge of the Sith so much more. So, on my part at least, the answer is - yes.

    But make no mistake, this WAS George Lucas's show, just listen to Dave Filoni talk about it and things he learned from George (his extended interview with SW Show is a good start). Which only shows that Lucas was always thriving in collaboration with other talented people, those who could both boost and rein in his ideas. I just wish he had them while making the prequels.
     
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    I feel the Clone Wars fixed everything wrong with the PT.
     
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    Totally agree. Now the fall of the Jedi order, the death of Padme and the birth of the Empire feels more poignant due to that. I didn't care that much about the rest of the Jedi knights but I've grown fond of them too.

    Curiously eleven-thirtyeight just posted the following regarding TCW:

    http://eleven-thirtyeight.com/2016/08/watching-the-clone-wars-and-its-all-star-wars-rebels-fault/
     
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    @LadyMusashi, @PrincessLeiaCB3, @thx1138, i am so very close to giving this a try. thank you for all your thoughts in this thread.
    i can be a stubborn booger, but if this will help spackle the lingering feh i have for the PT, it seems worth a shot.
    that animation, though. yeesh. hahaha
     
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    The first season is pretty meh. My personal experience. But press on! You'll thank yourself.
     
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    If you decide to watch it, try to watch in this order, no one told me and it took me a while to realize that the episodes were out of order. Still, I enjoyed it very, very much.
     
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    that is so confusing.

    is there a reason it was done this way? will it not make as much or good sense if you watch it out of order?

    thank you for the tip! although, this suddenly looks like work ~ hahaha

    well if i watch it in the "recommended" chronological order, the first season will be all mixed in ~ maybe that makes it more palatable. hahaha
     
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    Yaaay! Good. Well, for me the Netflix order has worked so far. I haven't felt like it is out of order so far :) and yeaaah, the animation might be a little bit discouraging at the beginning, but you get used to it. So far I've started to like Anakin more than from the PT.
     
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    The animation is superb in seasons five and six. Especially that and the cinematography i the fight scenes, as they had to ramp it up due to a certain character's presence in season five.
     
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    i put it on last night kinda late. watched three episodes (at least they're short).
    my initial thoughts:
    • the animation isn't nearly as bothersome to me as it was in Rebels, but i'm sure they must be similar (if not an exact match). could be the darker palette and the fact that we're dealing with more robots and machines that don't look unsettlingly like the Gumby show sans fingerprints.
    • in three episodes i've heard more defense and humanization of the clones than in all of the PT. it's a little thick, even, but this is a kids' show, so it's an important point to make, repeatedly, if necessary.
    • speaking of which, for a kids' show it's pretty sophisticated and not very fluffy at all. if it weren't for Ahsoka being irrepressibly cute now and then and the utter stupidity of the battle droids (which is also acknowledged, bravo), i'd really question the audience for this.
    i still find myself having a knee-jerk reaction to Yoda and the whole aesthetic gives me a vaguely queasy flashback sensitivity, but i didn't hate what i saw. and i can already see what everyone's saying about filling in how Anakin is a great pilot and a friend to Obi-Wan, and also just good at being a slightly disobedient general without all the whining. in three episodes i haven't seen him overtly use the Force, which is also interesting. the restraint is admirable.
     
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