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Clone Wars, better than the PT?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Clone Wars' started by thx1138, Dec 5, 2014.

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    i liked that episode with the weequays (der der binks notwithstanding).

    i will continue to muddle through. when an episode is on the crummier side, it's good to remember they're only about 22 minutes long ~ hahaha
     
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    I don't think "The Clone Wars" was better. I don't think a detailed portrayal of the Clone Wars was really needed. I think the series was created by those fans who had expected to see the Clone Wars in full detail in the Prequel Trilogy. And I find this laughable, because the Rebellion was never really portrayed in full detail in the Original Trilogy.

    Also, I have a real problem with how Anakin was portrayed in "The Clone Wars". He seemed to be portrayed as a cross between a juvenile "bad boy" or borderline Sith Lord. It seemed as if the series was trying to rush him toward the role of Sith Lord before the events of "Revenge of the Sith".

    The beginning of "Revenge of the Sith" revealed that Anakin was still experiencing guilt over his massacre of the Tusken Raiders. He spent those three years not before the 2005 movie not only harboring guilt over his murder of the Tuskens. He felt regret over killing Dooku and both horror and disgust for helping Palpatine kill Mace. After Mace's death, Anakin ceased to feel any real remorse over those he had killed (except the despair he felt over Padme's death). Yet, between his murder of the Tuskens (over which he felt guilt) in "AOTC" and his part in the deaths of both Dooku and Mace (which he felt regret and horror, respectively) in "ROTS", he harmed a lot of people in "The Clone Wars" series without any real sense of regret or remorse. That is just seemed weird to me.

    Worse, they gave him a padawan learner. I really cannot see the Jedi Council allowing him to serve as a mentor to an apprentice. Like Obi-Wan, he became mentor not long after becoming a knight. But the circumstance that led to Obi-Wan becoming a Jedi mentor to someone no one else seemed interested in training made a lot more sense than allowing someone whom very few trusted or respected become a Jedi mentor.

    Worse, the series focused too much on Anakin's relationship with Ahsoka . . . at the expense of his relationships with both Padme and Obi-Wan. Nor was there any hint in "Revenge of the Sith" that he had a padawan learner.

    I could have dealt with "The Clone Wars" if the series had been a bit more true to the progression of Anakin's character and had dropped the Ahsoka character. Unfortunately, it was not.
     
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    I feel TCW was decent, but really missed the opportunity to truly flesh out that period between Ep.2 and 3. Everything in all six seasons takes place right at the tail end of the conflict heading toward ROTS. Seems to me it would have been a great investment to instead begin where AOTC left off allowing us to take that journey with Anakin through his trials, his knighthood, and position as general in the Republic army. To see the relationship evolve between him and Obi-Wan: from mentorship to partnership to friendship. To give weight to his devotion for Padme which is supposed to be the crux of his abrupt downfall. We get flavors of it, but so much more could have been done.
     
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    I keep returning to the TCW every now and then, just watched the Lawless. By far my favorite episode of the series.
     
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    I went into the Clone Wars expecting a petty kid show that was just as awful as the Phantom Menace. I prepared myself to write a rant more or less in my review. Damn, was I wrong. After watching the first season on Netflix, I found myself wanting more. Sure the show isn't perfect, no show is, but it's funny, creative, and surprisingly dark at times. I appreciated how the show focused more on the characters more than anything else. No joke, I didn't want Anakin to turn now that I've seen on pinoy tambayan that how sarcastic and loving he is, not just the whiny baby we saw in the prequels. I can't wait to find the time to watch season two.
     
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    My take exactly. This series blows the PT films out of the water, although Sith is easily the best of the PT films.
     
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    The clone wars is very solid but I have to admit the PT is a bit better. Know i'm not saying clone wars is bad I personally enjoy the prequels and I don't think they deserve all the hate that they get. TCW is pretty great and in my opinion, a lot better than rebels anyway. If that gives you something to think about.
     
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    I think they're both good.
     
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    Certain aspects of the Clone Wars are certainly better than certain aspects of the PT. Most certainly.
     
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    The Clone Wars is far superior to the prequel films in my opinion, but it’s also not a fair comparison considering that it got seven seasons worth of episodes which is far more than the three films of the PT. Still, whenever I think of the prequel era of Star Wars, I always think of the show and its version of the characters first.

    I believe that the number one thing that the show did better than the film is the way it handled its characters, particularly Anakin Skywalker.

    I’m personally not a big fan of the way Anakin’s character was handled in the films, but Matt Lanter’s take on the character is near perfect in my eyes. Clone Wars Anakin is a heroic rule-breaker and leader that always overcomes the odds, but he’s also cocky, possessive, selfish, and quick to anger. He edges closer and closer to the dark side as the war progresses and he becomes more accustomed to doing bad things. We see him exactly as Obi-Wan described him in 1977: a great pilot, a cunning warrior, and a good friend. No disrespect to Hayden, but his version of Anakin was hard to connect with considering he spent half of Episodes 2 and 3 slaughtering people, talking bad about Obi-Wan behind his back, and awkwardly (and creepily) pursuing Padme. This show actually makes his ultimate downfall tragic and it does the character and everyone of his relationship justice.

    Besides Anakin, I’d say the show handled most of the other prequel characters better than the films: Padme, Obi-Wan (I like Ewan Mcgregor, I just like Clone Wars Obi-Wan the best), Maul, Dooku and more. The only character who was done worse in the show was General Grievous, who I never really liked to begin with. Aside from him, the characters get developed and significantly challenged in ways that the films never accomplished.

    As other people have mentioned, the show did a tremendous job at humanizing the clones as well. Rex and Fives are two of my top twenty favorite Star Wars characters because of this.

    Just to be clear, I don’t dislike the prequels. Sure I don’t enjoy them nearly as much as I did when I first joined these forums, but I enjoy most of Episode 3 and parts of Episodes 1 and 2, and I respect Lucas telling the stories he wanted to tell. I just vastly prefer The Clone Wars, especially with how it handled the characters, and I consider the heights of the show to be the best parts of Star Wars outside of the original three films.
     
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    Holy blast, I need to start watching TCW ...I feel like I'm missing out on A LOT of fun! :confused:
     
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    NO BANTHA POODO!! FUN FUN FUN FUN

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    Feloni Wars are better than all the rest. He takes Lucas master piece and goes one better.

    cannot wait to see Ahsoka in Mando if that happens. Hope her species is long lived and she meets Rey in the future.
     
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    The Clone Wars only works because of the PT and the PT is better because of the Clone Wars.
    It's a symbiotic relationship.
     
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    It's sad George rarely gets the credit he deserves for TCW. It was his baby. Filoni was the nanny he hired to look after it.
     
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    Well folks, wasn't The Clone Wars something else :) Loved how the final season amplified ROTS that much more.
     
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    I think the biggest flaw of the PT, for all the common warts people like to pick at, was that, where it failed- it was subtractive instead of additive to the star wars mythos that came before. Things like midichlorians, jango, and the portrayal of anakin get beat up on a surface level constantly. But where they find their biggest pitfall is when they take away from the mystique of previously established (or ambiguous) lore.

    What the clone Wars achieved, in no small measure thanks to filoni and, yes, absolutely george Lucas, was to ADD to the rich tapestry that is star wars. The clone wars series as a whole, really added some greatness to the GFFA. It expanded upon some ambitious, but under explored elements in the PT- from an army of clones, to midichlorians and the force, to the depths of character in our heroes and villains.

    I root for anakin and lament his fall because i saw him as a hero of the Republic in TCW. I feel the growing ill-ease in obi-wan and yoda. I develop a care for mace, and plo, and the other jedi. I grow to care for the clones. Villains like grievous and duku and maul become potent and fascinating thanks to TCW. Padme foreshadows her daughter's strength and resilience in TCW far more than in the PT. I even begin to appreciate jar jar a bit more in the cartoon. And this is to say nothing of the invaluable contribution of ahsoka, cad bane etc.

    To a large degree, i agree with a recent poster- the PT and TCW form a symbiant circle- they clearly rely on one another to tell the whole of the story. But for pure strengths and weaknesses in character development and so forth, i truly believe the clone wars is a greater success.
     
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    Now that it's done...

    The Clone Wars was fantastic. Some truly great episodes, great characters, great additions to the lore. Its importance in the minds of Star Wars fans cannot be overstated.

    And yesterday's finale was incredible. A true testament to Ahsoka and Rex, two of the series' best original characters- and characters who have since expanded past the boundaries of the series itself. And of course, Maul as well.

    But for such an ensemble show, it felt strange to have such a laser focus on just Ahsoka and Rex for the final two episodes. Perhaps this is exactly how the show should have ended, but it did feel like we left a lot behind.
    And in some places I've definitely complained about that fact. But in this particular lens, I think it's important to realize a sort of passing of the torch. The Clone Wars has always worked as a way to expand on the stories of the Jedi and participants of the war, while the PT movies were more focused on Anakin, Obi Wan, Padme, and Sidious.

    But with Order 66, the PT already gave us the fall of the Jedi. We saw Plo Koon die, Aayla secura gunned down, Windu windowed. The scope was already there. And yeah, seeing Hondo or Embo or other original characters one last time would've been amazing, it didn't really need to happen. Ahsoka and Rex were the heroes of The Clone Wars- they were the loose end that needed tying up.

    And I'm not sure anything has demonstrated that symbiotic relationship more- even if I like the Clone Wars a lot more than the movies, they're supplementary. They're there to help tell the movies' story.
     
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    I really think that the Clone Wars is better than the PT. It has all the same elements as the PT, and more. Plus it doesn't have those boring love monologues. It is all action.
     
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