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SPECULATION Colin and Disney's creative differences explored. Unverified evidence.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by YubNubBub, Feb 25, 2018.

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    i do not find the reason odd...luke is a nothing character without his father and it was best to get rid of him quickly as possible
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    i would make Luke into a powerless weakling with a mere cameo over a awful story.

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    OR ny explanation for why snoke was killed
     
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    Aren't you edgy.
     
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    Edgy, like the praise RJ gets from so called critics?
     
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    i would make Luke into a powerless weakling with a mere cameo over a awful story.[/QUOTE]

    A little dramatic?

    I know almost nothing about Trevorrow’s personal life or belief system. That was not what I was commenting on. I think he did a pretty good job on Jurassic Park considering that it was basically a cash grab that there was no need to revive. I mean the story is pretty limiting. What else is there to do with dinosaurs that they haven’t done before? If Alfred Hitchcock and Martin Scorsese were to team up on a Jurassic Park film it would still be a boring rehash of what came before.

    All I’m suggesting is that his script sounded much better than what Johnson and Kennedy came up with and is more in line with what the general audience wanted to see
     
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    I was a little sceptic about Colin doing IX because of his previous movies. But noone is able to ruin a SW movie more than what Rian achieved. So far Colin's ideas with taking Luke&Leia more in the focus sounded better than everything we heard since this trilogy started. :(
     
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    Couldn’t agree more. Trevorrow’s script seems to have had focused on Luke and Leia (you know, the characters people actually wanted to see in a SW sequel) and whatever it was I highly doubt it could have been any worse than the Last Jedi.

    Just think, we don’t Han Solo or Luke Skywalker to look forward to in Episode IX, but we sure are going to get a ton of Rose Tico and Poe. Why would anyone care about that? These films have been such a wasted opportunity
     
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    On top of that, what storyline/character arcs are there to look forward with the new characters? Rey is Superwoman and has bested Kylo Ren, so a final duel between them will be anti-climatic. There is no Snoke so will JJ have to waste time introducing a new villain? Do we really need to see another movie of Rey building a new Jedi Order, or Kylo Ren leading the First Order (Rebels vs Empire again)? I am not being sarcastic, but I honestly don't know what there is to look forward to in Episode 9 because everything has to wrap up since this is the last Saga film?
     
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    This is the official timeline of The Last Jedi. It is not unknown or difficult to find - I just googled it. As you can see, the script for TLJ was finished almost TWO YEARS before Colin quit or was (officially) let go. His script for EPIX was delivered to LFL in December last year, before Carrie's death.

    So, he knew how TLJ story went for over two years and wrote his sequel based on that. If he had disagreements, wouldn't he voiced them two years ago when the shooting script for TLJ was adopted? Wouldn't he quit or be let go then, because of the 'creative differences', when he started demanding a complete change of film already in production? What is more likely - that Carrie's death upended his script and he couldn't find the satisfactory story or that a grown man (pretty down to earth from everything we know about him) started stomping his feet two years after the fact?
     
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    Which in itself also hasn't been confirmed. You can't dismiss one report as being a joke while at the same time saying another report is the 100 % truth. That's extremely hypocritical (although you seem to have talent for that).

    That being said, who's to say that both can't be true at the same time? He voiced his criticism in the past but gave in, although the damage had been done. Kennedy gave him another chance, but as they got closer to the release of TLJ Colin started to act rough again, and voila.
     
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    Yep. I understand gearing the new trilogy toward a new audience and have no problem with the Big 3 taking something of a backseat but, unfortunately for me, the new characters are mindnumbingly banal and totally absent of any charisma with the exception of Kylo Ren and Poe Dameron but I'm certainly not chomping at the bit for the further adventures of Poe bloody Dameron. I think they should have just started completely afresh and left the fairly conclusive ending for our Big 3 at RotJ. Viva Chewie!
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    I think Colin might have experienced a lucky escape, to be honest.
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    Nothing clouded about that thought. SW is something of a poisoned chalice at this moment in time.
     
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    The big question that needs to be asked is whether its true that Rainy and KK wanted Luke Skywalker dead(which, given they're still standing, and that's the movie that was delivered, is a high likelihood).

    If that's the case, they both should be fired.

    Right now we're left with pretty much no one that can actually carry Episode 9. Rey was looking promising, but 8 did her no favors. Kylo is the only one close, but his character in 8 was all over the map, to the point he was practically a Pollock painting.

    The milktoast hero in combination with the Attention Deficit Disorder villain(as of 8) don't make a great combination. Heck... even Reylo's that were borne of the bondage chair scene from 7 aren't really vocal about a pairup anymore. Rose was received about as well as Scrappy-Doo. Poe got his balls cut off by the story, every time he spoke, as he played Goofus to the Female Gallants.

    Really.. just a pure mess. If Abrams pulls something even remotely watchable out of his rear-end with 9, it'll be a miracle.
     
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    I'm not the man's biggest fan but I do have some faith in him to make good. I hope Rose is quietly forgotten, some more OT aliens make it onscreen and, if new significant characters are introduced, they are not of the senses dulling variety like we got in TLJ. And a decent script would be most welcome.
     
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    Hopefully their insistence on that means that there are big plans for its implications in IX.
     
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    To be honest, JJ had to leave Luke out of TFA, because he would overshadow Rey. Do you really think Luke will have more than a 1 minute cameo with some wise words in IX, when Rey& (sadly as it seems ) Kylo will be the main focus? :rolleyes:
     
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    I think it's certainly possible.

    I don't think he'll be the primary protagonist that so many people have been expecting, because that was never likely from the beginning. But I think he can have far more than a minute of screentime.
     
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    That’s true, but that argument never really made sense to me. It’s like saying this character is too good/iconic to put on screen with this lesser character and everyone will only care about Luke...If that is the case, wouldn’t it make more sense to put that great character on screen as much as possible? You know, the character that people actually care about...Made no sense then and seeing the way the put Luke in the trash it makes even less sense now.
     
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    Yeah, that and perhaps try to make the new character, you know, great in their own right too. But no.

    At the end of the day, the Big 3 were the ultimate draw. Certainly bigger than the new characters.
     
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