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SPECULATION Colin and Disney's creative differences explored. Unverified evidence.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by YubNubBub, Feb 25, 2018.

  1. Darth Basin The Greatest

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    Since CT is gone..........What can save 9? Do something nobody expects. Have Kylo & the FO "win".
     
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    Don't get me wrong, I have no problems like some do when it comes to JJ Abrams. Rainy and Kathy are another story.

    Most of the time, JJA tends to deliver quality, watchable stuff.. even if some people have issues with it.

    He doesn't get lost up his own rear end like apparently those two jokers do.

    *Luke appears before Rey*

    Rey: What are you doing here?

    Luke: The catering is awesome.

    *Luke disappears*
     
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    Since Jedi can time travel now (lol), maybe
    9 ends with Rey preventing the birth of
    Ben Solo and erasing this entire mess.

    When you really think about it, it’s kind of
    amazing how awful the sequels ended up
    being.

    They really had no plan- no vision, no
    arc.

    And I thought dead beat loser dad Han was
    bad, then we got suicidal moping coward
    Luke.

    It’s parody bad.

    Why didn’t they just set the sequels 100
    years into the future?

    I know the answer of course. The original
    actors allowed themselves to essentially
    be pimped out.

    Crazy. And sad.
     
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    The people complaining that the ST "ruined" the ending of ROTJ would really be mad if that happened.
     
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    Yup, that about sums up the sequels. Couldn’t have said it better myself.
     
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    To be fair, they signed up after being approached by Lucas and Michael Arndt was scripting. And yes, I know many of Lucas' ideas were utilised but I bet that Hammill, in particular, thought he was signing onto something far different to what has come.
     
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    We waited 30 plus years for TFA. It wasn't perfect, but it paid homage to the true "spirit" of star wars. I'm good with that. At least we know JJ will stick to the code. (Hopefully we will get some serious star wars kick a##ery in the GOT series). JJ's presentation with 7 gave me that feeling. The "star wars magic" feeling. 8 just didn't do that for me except perhaps when the AT-M6's we're firing on Luke's force ghost or when Rey was training with the saber on Ahch-To or Yoda. But as as a film in whole? :/ Did we get every thing we wanted as fans? No. But that's life. It's better to keep your chin up and hope for better to come than to sulk.
     
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    I’m not sulking, it isn’t that serious.

    I didn’t like TFA for a variety of reasons, but it still left me excited for the next two.

    I thought the new characters were interesting and likable in TFA. The cast was fantastic.

    Then 8 happened. Coward, suicidal Luke. Reylo. Unoriginal beats/scenes. Under-developed Rey, Finn, and Kylo.

    Audience manipulation.

    Ignoring TFA in a lot of cases. (Not once did Rey wonder who her parents are in TFA. One of many examples)

    TLJ really killed my interest in this trilogy, so I have nothing to keep my chin up about.

    (In other words, I’m not really looking forward to 9 because I am legit not interested. )

    I’m holding out hope for a TV show announcement that will interest me, but I doubt they will explore what I want (post ROTJ)

    I find it exrmtremely odd that Disney, and so many fans, want to ‘kill the past’ and move on from the Skywalker- especially when there are films, a tv show, etc that are doing just that.

    I know it’s all about money, but you’d think they would have at least tried to plan out the trilogy and not be so eager to “kill the past” of their money maker.
     
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    Before anyone attacks this point let me point out...

    Rey TFA : Wants her "family" to return on Jakku.

    Rey TLJ : Wants 2 "know" who her "parents" are.

    I can tolerate the rehash that TFA was & can watch it again. TLJ is terrible & I & many other's wont c the RJT.
     
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    Yea I wasn't necessarily referring to YOU when I mentioned sulking though I should have clarified that.
    Why would you wan't every sw tv show and film to be about the Skywalkers? AGFFA is a big place. Directors and writers can still go by the star wars code with out it being about the Skywalkers. After TLJ you can't blame many fans for wanting to "kill the past". They we're let down by an avantgarde director who wanted to do too much of HIS own thing and it just didn't work. Yea, "kill the past" and move on. Maybe we will get some bad a## Knights of Ren out of all of this and a saber battle with Rey and someone other than Kylo. Who knows.
     
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    I think he's saying that stories outside of the Skywalker saga can be explored in other movies and TV shows but the current episodic movie entries should stay concentrated on them - correct me if im wrong.
     
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    Or whats left of them.
     
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    We are acting like the skywalkers are anything but the most boring element of all star wars. Luke ceased to be interesting when his dad died...Vader was ruined by a shoe horned virgin birth chosen one prophecy, and kylo is the first interesting Skywalker in decades even though he does not even bare that last name.


    Disney made a wise decision killing the past...because George Lucas ruined them
     
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    Well, it is rather inescapable seeing how they have been a fundamental part of the story so far.

    Agree that Kylo Ren is a thoroughly interesting character. I just hope he continues to be so in IX and we see him develope in some form other than purely taking the form of the big bad guy.
     
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    One of the problems is Abrams doesn’t have a lot to work with. The Last Jedi is so disjointed. It wrapped up some storylines, but left so many others wide open. It feels like they need two movies to answer some of the questions posed without feeling totally rushed.
     
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    So agree here. I remember him saying he can't wait for people to see what he's doing. Maybe that's it. I sure hope they do. It just seems almost pointless for him to even TRY to close it out with one film right?
     
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    I'm sorry but with a post like that i have 2 dislike. We r getting upcoming books, comics, tv shows, ENTIRE TRILOGIES WITHOUT SKYWALKERS!

    Killing them all off is asinine! And before u call me a "Disney hater. Lucas canon only basement dweller" i do find Dr. Aphra (Skywalker Free in her first Annual Comic Edition) great.
     
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    I think after 7, Rey/Finn/Poe were well on their way. Audience lock-in usually takes time and for the characters to overcome adversity. The OT3 had 3 movies and 30+ years to marinate in fandom to really become that draw. The only one of the three who was actually a star with drawing power was Ford who went on to a great career. Hamill will always be known for two things.. Luke, and his voice work for DC as the Joker in the animated stuff. Carrie Fisher played herself IRL for the rest of her career and will largely be known for Leia and her writing.

    But 8 managed to both completely kill the ST3 momentum while simultaneously losing the OT3. Oops! WTG RJ. Another movie like 8 and Mickey might have to get a real job.

    I'm sure Luke will be Force Ghosted back in for a scene or two in 9 to show he made it to the other side, maybe drop a tidbit or two, but I doubt he'll be key to the story anymore than Yoda or Ben were to ROTJ. I mean, the entire point of him dying should be to cut Rey loose. Having Mr. Third Wheel show up in glowy form to help the narrative for large parts of the film isn't likely to happen.

    I expected that for a while before 8.

    But after 8 was the downer and killed off basically everyone of note besides the leads, they've kind of painted themselves into giving some form of a happy ending and conclusion for 9. That's what happens when you don't plan. It doesn't have to be in detail, but just some idea of the pivot points. Having a good old game of telephone episode-to-episode only proves that by the time we get to 9, nobody knows what the heck KK or JJ are even saying. Its all gibberish. About as much sense as a Canadian sci-fi show after(or even during!) its first season.
     
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    Yes! Yes!...... (GOT)......... And it could be really awesome if the new characters are relatable, original and well written! Some open mindedness here? TGFFA is a big place, not to sound like a broken record. Star wars doesn't need to have Skywalkers in the story to be awesome.
     
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    But what of us! What of the fans of the Skywalkers!
     
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