Connections beyond the force, Rey/Kylo.

Quit now!

 

This is because of JJ's mystery box. Haha!

It's canon that Kylo was at least 23 when he turned on Luke. Rey was left on Jakku with the age of 5 years. So Ben was 15 at this time.

 

But isn’t kylo supposed to be in his 20’s and Rey 19 or so? I remember hearing Adam driver say that he was told to play kylo younger than himself, so I assumed, since driver is in his 30’s, that kylo is in his 20’s.

 

Yes, Ben is supposed to be 29 at the time of TFA/TLJ. Rey is 19. Ben turned to the Dark Side at 23 (so we are told), when Rey would have been 13.

@NinjaRen is saying that in Rey's TFA Forceback she appears to be about 5 when she was abandoned or whatever. Ben would have been 15 or so, and would not have turned yet.

 

Oh I see, thanks for clarifying.

Kylo does act a little young for his age for someone who’s been away from his mama for so long

 

Well, he's still a child with a mask or without a mask. Haha! The question remains: how long was Ben away from his mother? When was he sent to Luke? So many questions.

 

Yes, he's clearly supposed to be psychologically stuck in adolescence!

 

According to the novelisation, he was cute as a child, following Han around and playing with the falcon dice. He started to make his parents worried in adolescence with tantrums and breaking stuff... he hasn’t changed much since then lol.
I’d say he hasn’t seen leia since his teenage years, when he started his training.

 

To answer your initial question, I think it was being originally set up in some very basic ways for there to be the ability for their stories to all tie together. On the same note; whether it was just an acting choice on Harrison's part, I will defend to this day that Han knew more about Rey than he let on.

But, with TLJ having, from what we understand, it departed some from that initial vision, it will be hard to tell if it comes full circle and does indeed intertwine their stories. It still wouldn't surprise me though if JJ reestablished and explored a connection even just briefly in IX.

 

How so?

 

Fits of rage, his own coming-of-age arc, anger/resentment toward father figures, trying to live up to expectations of others rather than forging his own path... he represents "all the worst aspects of adolescence," as Rian Johnson puts it.

 

Or midlife crisis?

I just hate labeling like that. That sounds condescending. Adults get angry too. And can behave like adolescents at times. But that doesn't make them emmotionally retarded.
IMO it is worse than calling Rey a Mary Sue.

 

Stuck in adolescence is just movie coding for the emotional trauma he's been through. I don't see why it's insulting. It's metaphorical.

 

Well then it's okay if it's metaphorical. LOL

It is offensive term because it deffers from legitimacy of his feelings. Adolescents rage for attention. Like emos. Kylo's rage is something else.

 

It's not correct to say adolescents or "emos" only rage for attention either--there's a reason behind that too. Kylo's rage is something else, you're right--it's the only release he has from the prison Snoke has made for him. It's a shorthand way of saying this person has never been allowed to emotionally become as old as he is physically. It isn't supposed to be offensive to adolescents--it's supposed to show us he has a story arc that he's moving along. He has to get from point A, being an emotional adolescent, to point B, being an emotional adult. So somewhere along the way he has to grow and change, or else he's a static character.

 

Of course he needs to move on and progress if he is to have an interesting story arc. We just disagree on where he is/was at the start of the story.
Emmotional adolescents or imature people throw tantrums for show and to comunicate their frustrations outwards (unless they are psychologically sick and do it uncontrollably). Kylo doesn't do that. His outbursts are sort of introvert. Forhis 'benefit' sort of. Otherwise he'd perform them infront of people of authority like Snoke.

Emmotional adults also have progressions. It's not like you grow up and then just stop feeling or something.
I also disagree on what you think is the reason for his anger. He got free of Snoke quite easily. So he was not in prison. Other than selfimposed prison, that is.

 

You can't in one breath say "it's offensive because it defers from the legitimacy of his feelings" then use a term like "emos" and then straight belittle the issues that many adolescents and "emos" face. You know, like parental abandonment or betrayal. The kind of things a young Kylo went through.

 

Oh yeah? Watch me
That's my point exactly. 'Normal' adolescents don't have issues like Kylo does. 'Normal' adolescents don't get betrayed or abandoned nor they have traumas like kylo did.

Eta: normal adolescents *are* emos.
Kylo is not. That is why the term is derogatory.
In my opinion.