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SPECULATION Could Episode IX potentially become IX and X?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by BaserCreatures, Apr 6, 2018.

  1. BaserCreatures

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    This is purely speculation. I have nothing to support this other than my own personal curiosity.

    Setting aside how fans and audiences felt about TLJ; it did wrap up a lot of loose ends for the sequel trilogy. Unless he delves into some retconning of some of the material JJ has a formidable task of telling essentially a new story while tying up three movies, or even 9 movies in a 2 hour timeframe.

    Do you think there is a chance that Episode IX could be split into two separate films to help make a more cohesive overall end to the "Skywalker Saga" series of films?
     
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    Making it an Episode IX and X would be better than splitting the movie in two parts. But I don't think they will do it. When should they release EPX? After EPIX the third spin-off film will be released and then we will probably get Rian's trilogy.
     
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    They shoot them back to back, keep the release of IX in 2019 and then December of 2020 release Episode X. Aside from Solo and IX no official release dates have been announced for any other Star Wars films. They have some room to play with.
     
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    Generally, movies have beats that need to be hit to make them work.

    For instance, would Empire Strikes Back have been nearly as good of a film if it was split into two parts like this?:

    ESB pt. 1: Rebels on Hoth, ending with the evacuation

    ESB pt. 2: Luke training, Han and Leia in asteroid field/Bespin, ends with Vader and Luke duel


    Even something with weirder pacing like the beginning of ROTJ just wouldn't hit the same beats in multiple movies that it would in one.


    If the trilogy is nearly as planned as I hope and think it is, this could never work.
     
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    While I agree, that movies do work best when there are certain beats that are followed; I don’t think that this trilogy has ever been planned out to a point that it is not flexible. Even if it would have been a set in stone plot line with points to follow, all of that changed with the passing of Carrie Fisher. I think the storyline is fluId enough to allow for such a change. It is 100% hypothetical of course, I just think that it is a possibility.
     
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    I agree wholeheartedly that the trilogy is almost assuredly flexible, but I think that this level of restructuring is something of a different beast.

    Even with Carrie's tragic passing (which is a good point, and may prove me wrong) I think the best course of action is to bend with the wind rather than invent the wheel... if you'll allow my mixing of analogies. :p
     
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    I know that people keep repeating that there is so much loose ends to tie after TLJ and so many ways the story can go, but if you really think about it, IX arguably has to do just two things - finalize Kylo's story and show the victory of the Resistance against the First Order (FO is getting defeated, there's no point in believing otherwise.) Keep it simple, keep it clean.
     
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    I may be niave about it, but that is a little too simple to have an engaging story to finish out the Skywalker Saga. But that is just my opinion.
     
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    I don't know why JJ would need to create a new story. He can just conclude the one he started in TFA and Rian Johnson continued in TLJ.

    In this last movie we have at least the following potential story threads:
    The First Order in the wake of losing Snoke and gaining a new Supreme Leader
    Kylo dealing with his rejection by Rey and confrontation with Luke, as well as his further fall to the dark side
    Rey learning to be a Jedi, and potentially training others
    The Resistance moving on from losing Leia
    Poe leaning to lead (if he replaces Leia as head of the Resistance)
    The Resistance trying to defeat the First Order
    Finn becoming a major hero for the Resistance
    Also potential romance story lines between Rey & Poe and Finn & Rose

    All of this has been set up in the first 2 films. All of this must be resolved in the last.
     
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    For me, I'd love it to be: The Beginning Trilogy, The Middle Trilogy and The Ending Trilogy. Having it be split into two parts would defeat the purpose of a trilogy.
     
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    I’m less bound to the 1-2-3 mentality if it serves the story. I just don’t want the finale of the Skywalker saga to feel rushed or gutted because they were trying to fit a story into 2 hours.
     
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    As far as I know, trilogies become quadrilogie happens in novels.

    The reason for movies series to be prolonged is because they were based on books and the movie makers know the story is ending, so they want to milk the franchise one last time.

    Because Disney is making Star Wars annually, I don't see IX become X and XI; Unless Solo becomes epic fail and Disney figure out SW is not SW unless it has Skywalkers in it. In that case Rey will become Rey Skywalker and maybe later Rey Skywalker Solo. (Reylo becomes canon).
     
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    See, I am looking at it from the point of view that Disney and Lucasfilm seem to be on a clear trajectory of phasing out the Skywalker story. With everything they have announced, they could easily see the next ten years without having to touch or revisit the Skywalker Saga, if ever. I think if JJ has written a story that closes out this chapter as well as wraps up the saga as a whole and it is pushing a 6-7 hour running time, don't sacrifice the story to hit a runtime. Plus, they could continue to cash in off the the franchise's mainstay for a little longer.

    But again, all hypothetical.
     
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    i'd like to see them keep it to a tight trilogy. a lot happens in TLJ. a lot happened in TFA. a lot will happen in IX.
    but i wouldn't want to prolong the journey any farther.

    the first movie set up the questions, the middle movie set up the complications/challenges, and the third should be the resolution. otherwise we just have another set of complications/challenges and structurally that's pushing it for me.

    besides which i don't think i can stand waiting four years to see whether Ben gets his shoebuttons together. : o p
     
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    Interestingly, I don't think Kennedy or JJ have been using the term "trilogy" when recently discussing the sequel films. Kennedy did do an interview where she mentions that we'll be following Rey, BB8, Poe, Finn for some time in future installments.

    TFA and TLJ create a ton of questions, many have not been resolved or resolved fully. We have some purported answers on Rey, Kylo, and Luke's background, little to nothing on Snoke or the Knights of Ren, and not much on Hux or Finn. Point being, Episode IX could be a movie with a ton of exposition on loose ends setting up a basic save-the-universe adventure movie for Episode X. There is still lots of material set up by TFA and TLJ that could be played with.
     
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    Things like this are usually announced in advanced (like with the last books of Twilight and Hunger Games being split) and since, at this point, there has been no announcement, I am 99% sure the Skywalker Saga will conclude with Ep.IX. If they'll continue to use Rey, Finn and Poe in future (and why wouldn't they want to?), then it would be called something else.
     
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    For argument's sake, in general I would agree with you. But, the script was just recently completed and they are really just now heavy in pre-production, they could realize the scope of the story is better served as two parts, sort of in line with Kill Bill. Originally scripted and planned as one single film, but to avoid cutting things the filmmaker saw as valuable they split the film in two parts.

    I do agree it isn't likely, and probably won't be necessary. But, just because it hasn't been announced already, that wouldn't be my argument as to it not happening. They have been pretty cryptic with what they have really chosen to announce lately. Nothing that is set in stone or close enough in the timeline that would put them in the position of moving or cancelling something if they see fit.

    They aren't trigger shy about announcing things, but they are smart about not calling their shot.
     
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    I could see the possibility that two final movies have been contemplated for some time yet they are smart enough to know that some of the fans might complain if it is revealed too early that the final installment of the ST is actually two parts or two separate movies. The mouse is no idiot. No reason to ruffle some feathers until they have to.
     
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    Interesting idea. It wouldn’t really be Ep 10 though. It would be Ep 9, parts 1 and 2. Two halves of one whole, so still technically a trilogy. If the story that JJ wants to tell truly requires that much room to detail, then sure, story first above anything else. But I seriously doubt it. TLJ is already basically Ep7 part 2.
     
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    What loose ends?

    Nor do I feel that it is necessary to stretch "EPISODE IX" into another movie - namely "EPISODE X". I find that pointless.



    Exactly what is the scope of the story? Have you read the script for "EPISODE IX"?
     
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