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SPECULATION Could The Force Awakens be a loose adaptation of Heir to the Empire?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Voxx, Jan 24, 2015.

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Would you like it if TFA was loosely based on Heir to the Empire?

  1. Yes! It was a great EU novel, I'd love to see it on the big screen!

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  2. No! The EU is dead and it should stay dead!

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  3. I don't really care one way or another.

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  4. Only if Benedict is Thrawn and Scarlet is Mara Jade!!

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  1. Voxx

    Voxx Jedi Hero of Legend

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    Okay so this is a pretty off the wall theory and I have zero proof to any of this. But I have this crazy idea that The Force Awakens could be loosely based on one of the greatest Star Wars novels ever written.
    Could this be correct? Maybe... probably not... you guys be the judge.


    So you've probably read the book Heir to the Empire by Timothy Zahn.
    Why are you bringing this up you ask? The old Expanded Universe is dead right? Right, it is! But the LucasFilm story group did say all the EU stuff is available to be mined for future ideas!

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    Here is where my crazy theory begins...

    When Star Wars Episode 7 was first announced fan boys and girls ‘round the world were instantly excited for a big screen appearance of Thrawn and Mara Jade. These ideas were all but extinct until now!
    There has been an awakening!

    Perhaps The Force Awakens really is Heir to the Empire, but not verbatim of course since there wasn't a BB-8 droid, and no one named Poe. This could be a new retelling of it, re-imagining characters and plot lines, instead of throwing such a great book into the metaphorical recycle bin.

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    Early rumors had Benedict Cumberbatch pegged to be portraying Grand Admiral Thrawn, but those rumors quickly died as reports that Gwendoline Christie got that part. Why would they cast a woman as Thrawn instead of the great Cumberbatch, it must not be Thrawn then. Well in my theory, you’re right and wrong. She isn't Thrawn, but she is, a new version of his character, leading the Imperial fleet. Will she be a blue alien with red eyes? Probably not, but I hope so. Thrawn-ette or Lady-Thrawn… take your pick! Or… it could be Andy Serkis…

    Next we have my favorite part of my theory. We have all read about Liam Neeson’s recent interview with the release of his latest film, Taken 3. While talking Star Wars, he said he would love to back as Qui-Gon Jinn and went on to talk about the Sithcalibur lightsaber. Could this be a hint?

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    Let’s look at the Sithcalibur wielder, Kylo Ren. Thanks to that action figure prototype leak we can guess that Kylo is over 6 foot tall. Guess who is over 6 foot tall. If you said Adam Driver, you’re right but we have seen him in an X-wing flight suit, he can’t be Kylo Ren. But, Liam Neeson is over 6 foot tall!

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    Okay, now you’re saying he can’t be Kylo Ren, he’s already Qui-Gon Jinn! Ren… Jinn. Yeah, you’re right again! But also wrong. Here’s where Heir to the Empire comes back into play. In the book we meet Joruus C’baoth, a crazy clone of Jorus C’baoth, a Jedi Master who died before the Clone Wars. Joruus makes a deal to work with Thrawn if Thrawn can capture Luke, Leia, and her unborn Jedi twins. Here’s where things get a little nuts. In the book it is revealed that no-first-name Palpatine was the one who cloned Master C’baoth. Perhaps in this new continuity, instead of C’baoth being cloned, since he doesn't appear in any new canon materials, it was Qui-Gon Jinn who was cloned! Palpatine was at his funeral, he could have easily Taken… hehe… some of Qui-Gon’s remains and cloned him for future evil purposes.

    Bing, bang, boom. The mystery box has held its most guarded secret well, until today! Liam Neeson is out of the mystery box!

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    “There has been an awakening… Have you felt it?”
    Quui-Gon has awakened. Oh wait, you misspelled his name. Nope! Quui-Gon is the clone of Qui-Gon. We had a clone of dead Jedi Master Jorus C’baoth called, Joruus C’baoth. Yeah I think adding the extra U is stuupid. Quui-Gon thought it was stupid too, so he changed his name to Kylo Ren.
    Now how did Kylo Awaken? That’s the mystery.


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    Next we get to the beloved Mara Jade. Obviously we have not had anyone cast that could fit her physical description of being a young person with red hair. Oh yes we have! Look no farther for Mara Jade people, our new version of her is portrayed by Domhnall Gleeson! No he's not going to be a woman, but a re imaging of the character. In the old EU Mara was "The Emperor's Hand." She was basically the old version of the Star Wars Rebels character, The Inquisitor! There have been many rumors that inquisitors will be in TFA. I believe Domhnall Gleeson will play the role of former Inquisitor turned to work for a crime lord and will later join the good guys. Will he be Luke's love interest? Probably not. Maybe one of those many female actresses who have joined the cast.

    Okay that's all I have for this ridiculous theory...
    Speculate... rip this theory to shreds... convince me that Liam Neeson is NOT in TFA please!!
    Voxx out.

    PS:
    This could also point towards the JJ didn't use Lucas's script rumor because JJ wanted to see Heir on the big screen too! Talk about fan-service!

    PSS:
    If you agree with me, vote for Liam Neeson in the poll on this thread HERE.
     
    #1 Voxx, Jan 24, 2015
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    Ummmm... i see how the dots connect on this and i do think they may use a few things from Heir to the Empire in the next movies, but i don't think Mara Jade is going to be in them gender flipped or not.
     
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    Fair enough!
     
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    I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you Voxx doesn't have money. But what he does have is a very particular set of skills, skills he has acquired over a very long career as a mod here at The Cantina. Skills that make him a nightmare for people like you. If you 'Like' or 'Great Post' or 'Original' his theory now, that'll be the end of it. He won't look for you, he will not pursue you. But if you don't, he will look for you, he will find you, and he will ban you.
     
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    Willybobo, you're the best.
     
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    I think Kate Beckinsale,Scarlett Johansson or Angie Everhart would fit the role
     
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    Oh and don't get me started on how I think Qui-Gon is the true father of Anakin Skywalker! ;)
    For who? Kylo Ren?
     
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    No Mara jade you were posting about earlier.
     
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    Yeah like the last paragraph of my whole crazy theory! lol
     
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    Iv never read Heir to the Empire but i found an audiobook version on youtube and im listing to it now. I really dont think Qui-Gon is coming back, sorry. i wish he were. Though this theory would fit the quote from the trailer perfectly.
     
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    I didn't say Qui-Gon and I said his clone Quui-Gon, AKA Kylo Ren! haha
     
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    While I doubt the actual characters (Thrawn and Mara Jade) will be used, the character archetypes could certainly be present at some point in the trilogy. Regardless, this was a VERY fun read. I especially loved the Liam Neeson bit.
     
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    its creative. ill give you that lol..
     
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    Yes thats it & it's not a crazy theory
    Ah yes the ears help when the eyes are not needed Qui- Gon might make a cameo force ghost appearance we will see.
     
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    I will also accept 'optimistic' since it is the Liam Neeson button.
     
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    This made my day! (thrawn) Almost TOO MUCH fun to read. :cool:
     
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    Ooh, that could work! A lot better than most theories and speculations.
     
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    Well, if they really are going to surprise us like you say by getting Liam Neeson to play Kylo Ren, then they'd better have a part where Kylo loses his lightsaber and so has to resort to karate-chopping everyone in the throat really hard.
     
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    FYI: Neeson recently criticized the number of guns owned by private citizens in the US... which led to the gun manufacturer that provided the firearms for Taken 3 issuing a statement. In it, they vow to never again work on any project featuring the Irish born actor... and they went a step further, asking all other gun manufacturers to join them in refusing to ever work with Neeson.

    Good thing lightsaber manufacturers have no problem with Qui-Gon.
     
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    bro...YOU JUST BLEW MY MIND!!!!!! I absolutely love heir to the empire. Greatest book ever!!! Thrawn or a thrawn like character in TFA? Best thing ever! I love you idea and I support it. J J could Moët likley use some of heir to the empires material. And that qui Gon theory....nice work linking him to c'baoth... Great post I love the ideas.
     
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