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SPECULATION Could the purported Jedi Academy flashback have been established between ESB and ROTJ?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Bbri2k, Jun 10, 2015.

  1. Bbri2k

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    A thought I'd like feedback on...

    MSW says there is a Jedi Academy flashback scene ...

    My question is, could this have actually been established between ESB and ROTJ?

    At the end of ESB, Luke/Leia/Lando/Chewie/droids are planning to save Han. They do some serious planning/pre-work in advance of heading to Jabba's palace to try and get Han...
    • Lando gets a job under disguise at Jabba's palace
    • Luke plants his light saber in R2-D2
    • Luke plants C3-PO and R2-D2 in Jabba's palace for support
    • Leia dresses up as Bousch and takes Chewie in as a captured prisoner
    Luke is unsuccessful in getting Jabba to bargain for Han. Luke is unsuccessful in using force powers to get a blaster to shoot Jabba. Luke kills the rancor. Leia's plan doesn't work to rescue Han. Then they're all headed for the Sarlacc Pit... There were obvious contingency plans along the way in case certain things didn't work...

    So, wouldn't it make sense that Luke would have started training Jedi before leaving to plant SOME seeds in case Luke & Leia died in tried to rescue Han?

    Which makes me wonder if Luke may have started this Jedi Academy started prior to ROTJ ? If this is the case, Rey and/or Kylo could not be Solo kids AND trained at this academy...

    Would appreciate your thoughts if possible and, if so, what the possible ramifications/scenarios that could come of it, thanks!
     
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    The same rumour has Rey and Kylo Ren present at the events in the flashback, which would mean Rey was at least in her mid-to-late 30s during The Force Awakens...
     
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    That theory doesn't add up. @Get In Gear point proved it.
     
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    If Rey/Kylo were NOT in the Jedi Academy, what purpose would that flashback potentially provide?
     
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    They ARE in the flashback, but Rey is only a teenager when TFA is set, so the flashback and the academy must happen after ROTJ, not before it - that was my point...
     
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    OK then :) Please lock thread...
     
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    If that were the case, he wasn't in too big of a hurry to save his buddy. The guy that saved his life twice. Also, how much could he get done in that timeframe?
    "Alright, you kids setup the furniture and stock the fridge, and when I get back, we'll begin your training. I want to thank you all for coming to the academy of your own free will from the flier I put up in the mall."
    Not to mention, he hadn't accomplished anything. "Hey, come take Jedi lessons from a guy who hung out with yoda for two weeks and then got his hand cut off by Vader!'

    And on my last point, I'm not a proponent of the flashback storyline anyways. There are other ways to present the information.

    Don't build your house on sand

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    Well, technically it's still only a rumour - and I am a strong believer in the flashback being slightly misunderstood by the person who presented it to us.
    While I doubt there was an academy set up by Luke between TESB and ROTJ, you are certainly entitled to speculate...
    The fact is, just playing devil's advocate here, the flashback as it was set out did not explicitly state that the scene involving Rey and Kylo Ren was in the same timescale as the rest of the flashback, nor that "the clan" is anything to do with an academy and the scenes involving Luke. The flashback could be a series of isolated events taking place at different times, and there is certainly scope to allow that to be the case:
    • Interior Day Roses’s Pub – There is a secret underground chamber and Rose begins her tale to Han, Rey, and Finn. They hold hands.
    • Flashback: Interior Night at Academy – Dead bodies are on the ground. Luke turns up.
    • Flashback: Exterior Dusk at the Academy – It is noted it is peaceful now. Artoo-Detoo is saddened as his master departs.
    • Flashback: Exterior Day at the Savannah – A hand that takes the sword at the start of the film is revealed to be Naka’s hand.
    • Flashback: Exterior on the Savannah – A peasant’s hovel where the peasant drops the sword, starts a fire, panics and then returns.
    • Flashback: Exterior Desert – Local trader is seen leaving. (I believe it then cuts to Finn and Rey’s faces as the story unfolds).
    • Flashback: Exterior Day Desert – Local trader makes a sale to a wealthy man.
    • Flashback: Exterior Night Battlefield – Fierce battle! Sword is being use by the CLAN against THE SEVEN.
    • Flashback: Exterior Night: the last man is down and Kylo Ren approaches Rey!
    • Flashback: THE SEVEN are looting and we see Rose in the foreground taking “the object.”

    (Bonus points if you can explain how Leia and Threepio travelled to Tatooine prior to the events of ROTJ... :p )
     
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    Good thinking but I'm not sure the ages of Ren and Rey make it possible for them to have been in Luke's Academy in between the two films.
     
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    I agree with that...
     
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    nah. we can leave it open for debate. :D
     
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    I'm also pretty sure the two films in question make it impossible for Luke to have started a Jedi Academy between them, there's only a few months to a year between the films.

    Also there's that whole thing about it never being mentioned and it making no sense in the context of those films that such a thing happened and Luke not even being a full Jedi Knight until the end of ROTJ, and him definitely having a conversation with Yoda about him being the last Jedi and needing to pass on his knowledge...

    Ya.

    How do people come up with this stuff? jump to conclusions(1).jpg
     
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    Its brainstorming. You throw ideas out and see what sticks. The community is here to help vet the speculation. The OP admitted it wasn't likely after being confronted with the evidence. The faulty speculation is rejected by the community and dismissed and the good ideas stick and continue with further investigation to test their plausibility. There's no harm in suggesting an idea as long as counterarguments are heard and accepted if valid. The more ideas the better. They force us to entertain possibilities we haven't thought of yet.
     
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    Flashback takes place between 6 and 7.
     
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    Maybe its not a flashback at all. Maybe it takes place in between VII and VIII. This is the man who created Lost after all. ;)
     
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    ha..but a flashback makes sense..
     
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    I accept your counterargument as valid and therefor dismiss the possibility of a flash forward. :)

    Now how about a post death non-linear flash sideways?
     
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    They've done flashforwards...
     
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    Not sure about Threepio, I thought he and R2 traveled there on the MF with Lando. But Leia got there in a Y-wing, as shown in the RotJ deleted scenes. Sure, it's not "canon", but is there anything that explicitly states otherwise?
     
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    I don't want so sound rude, but nobody from us average joes (me included) have seen the movie yet.
    You both write like a flashback scene (or scenes) are 100% proven.
    So far as I know, they are not.
    Before the MSW rumors, the so called arguments strikes me hard:
    "I don't trust or like MSW stuff, most of their rumors sound like gibberish from a 6 year old with a bad imagination"
    In my opinion, they make most of the things up and using cheap sensationalism.
    Why does it make sense?
    It does not, the PT and OT don't used flashbacks, the only weird thing we saw was this nightmare scene from EP III and it was out of place.
    Flashbacks are not Star Wars like, it does not suit the franchise. (with the 6 movies in mind)
    Star Wars has the Crawl, this is the trademark and it provides enough backround information.
    George Lucas intention was to jump right into the action and skip the boring stuff like in the old Flash Gordon series.
    That's why he labeled ANH later Ep.IV, he wanted it back then in 1977 but skipped his plan in favour of Fox.
    Twenty Century Fox disliked the idea of a new movie that begins with chapter number IV, they feared that the audience become confused back in the day.
     
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