SPECULATION Count Dooku's Sith Name

He must have been pretty constipated but GL must be a good fan of dinos

 

I think your theory is a good one.

 

If Count Dooku was taken by the Jedi before he was 1 year old and raised by the Jedi, a practice which is done in part to seperate the Jedi from their family so they are loyal to the force, order and republic.....

How did Dooku know he was a count of .........whatever system he was a count of?

 

He was aware of his legacy, even as a youngling.

Anyway, it appears this thread has been going on for a while, but I think at this point we have a pretty good idea of what happened.

1) Dooku, as a count, becomes a major figurehead for the Confederacy.

2) Due to this, he becomes in some ways an enemy of the Jedi and the Republic, who refer to him by his Count title.

3) Yes, Obi Wan and Anakin (among others) do see him wielding a red lightsaber. However, of course a former Jedi would yield a saber. The fact that it is red can be attributed to the new canon Crystal bleeding, since it is likely that without the Jedi's guidance, Dooku would begin using the darkside (or, at least the ironically dogmatic Jedi would see it this way).

4) Since the events of The Phantom Menace, the Jedi have begun to fear the possibility of the return of the Sith, assuming a Sith Master was out there.

5) Jango Fett names Darth Tyranus, adding credence to the Sith's emergence. It was likely they assumed this was the master they were looking for. It is also not likely that this master could've been Dooku, as the timeline just doesn't work out for that to really be possible.

So... My guess is that the Jedi certainly viewed Dooku as a darkside-using threat, in that he was a former Jedi who was fighting against the Republic. However, they had reason to believe that he was not the Lord of the Sith, who they probably assumed was Tyranus. Not until late in TCW show is the connection made- which meant, of course, that the Jedi realized they knew less about the Lord of the Sith than thay had previously even assumed.

 

but that makes no sense. It completely undoes the reasons for the Jedi taking children at 1 year old.

 

Sorry? I cannot find the source for this info, but here from Wookiepedia:

So without more info, I guess we can't say why the Jedi let him know his legacy (though it evidently ended up being a poor decision). Perhaps his parents negotiated with the order for that to be the case?

 

I don't believe anyone other than Darth Sidious knew that he was "truly" a Sith Lord who had earned a moniker. It was obvious he had turned to using force techniques that most would view as darkside, and that he was conspiring with the great hidden enemy, but it was probably kept under wraps to avoid political affiliations with such a terrible society and turn possible allies against the Sith or CIS cause. It was also probably kept secret to avoid leaking his involvement with the hiring of Jango Fett for the Clone template and any other involvement he may have had with the Clone army's creation.

 

You are correct about Dooku being called by his name because everyone knew him as such. Now the reason about Vader is totally different. We viewers know that Anakin is Vader but almost nobody else in the SW galaxy does. Remember that most people were convinced that the Jedi had turned evil and were destroyed and I'm pretty sure they must all think Anakin was killed as well. Anakin acted secretly when he became Palpatine's follower and almost no one in the galaxy knew this happened. He only had one mission were he might have been seen by some people (the attack on the Jedi temple) before his mission to Mustafar where he was never seen again. From that moment on Darth Vader was the dark character that the people knew and not anything related to him being Anakin.

The same thing can be said about Palpatine. Only a few beings knew him as Darth Sidious and the general public only knew him as Palpatine and then the Emperor. Only the Jedi knew the Sidious name and once they were gone the name vanished with them.

 

I guess it's because of his Jedi times

 

Because he didn't want it publicly known that he was a sith. Rather a Jedi who was trying to root out corruption.

 

It may just be that the Sith just use those names while speaking to others of their religion/cult and such names may have meaning that is only known to them whether it be spiritual or relating to rank and function. They are a cult of secrets seeking forbidden knowledge so it is only natural that their names would also be secret.

 

It is actually not true that Sidious is the only character to ever use the name Tyranus.

"I was recruited by a man called Tyranus on one of the moons of Bogden" - Jango Fett

I think Count Dooku mostly stuck to his old name because he was a political figure trying to lead a movement. It is probably easier to convince potential separatists to go along with "Count Dooku" than with "Darth Tyranus."

Dooku is also not the only Sith to continue using his old name after turning to the dark side. The name Palpatine sticks around for the entire saga.

 

That's a good point. Dooku's whole role in Palpatine's plan was to rally systems to the Separatist cause, plus, like you said, he recruited Jango under the name Tyranus. It'd look mighty suspicious if the man trying to form an alliance against the Republic was the same one who recruited the template for The Republic's clone army.

 

I know that George Lucas was fond of Latin: Tyrannus means king or ruler (only learned this after reading Oedipus Tyrannus), Palpate (word that Palpatine is likely based on) means to examine something with your hands, perhaps there is an implicit inference into his methodical approach.

Palpatine's name is also likely inspired by the Palatine Hill, a key location in Roman politics. Sidious is obvious, referring to insidious (hidden, threatening). Maul is likewise obvious.

 

Agree. I never thought why Count Dooku maintained his old name. But I believe you are right. Like Palpatine who maintained his old name and used it together with Darth Sidious.

 

Not to mention that title was his birthright and represented something significant to him as an individual. For more insight into this character, I would really recommend reading Dooku: Jedi Lost.

 

If I remember right, the name Darth Tyranus has never been mentioned in the movies. Moreover, how Dooku became a sith? I only watched movies, never read anything.

 

I think Palpatine refers to Dooku as Lord Tyranus when he returns to Coruscant at the end of Ep 2, that's the closest we got to his full sith name.

 

Darth Tyranus goes by Count Dooku when surrounded by Separatists because they don't know/ shouldn't know he is Sith.

 

Dooku is his actual name, and Tyrannus is his dark name. If he had not fallen, his name would be Master Dooku.

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They already knew he was sith