Criticisms Of Rogue One

it's almost like alliteration .

 

Exactly correct. It demonstrates the, "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" position that anyone who makes these new films is in, thanks to the most demanding fanbase out there.

 

Oh I don't know. I think Trek fans still win that prize.

(I should know... I am one )

 

I think the logic behind placing the main title card where it is is because the opening sequence functions as a sort of visualized opening crawl. I do agree, though, because the main title card was unexpected and a tad jarring to see after the Lah'mu scenes...especially since the logo was yet again a different font and styling of what we'd seen numerous iterations of in marketing.

 

Right. They cannot win. If it isn't the EXACT movie these fans want, it sucks. If it isn't exactly like the prequels or the OT, then it sucks too. But if it is too much like them, it still sucks.

 

It just feels there is no significant to the film. its the first film out of the arc and I wanted more meaing to the film. I use the metaphor with R1, its like going to a restaurant and ordering a meal and at the end of the meal the cooks came out and told me exactly what they did for the end product. It was a good film but not great.

 

It's the unwinnable war.
TFA went for broad general appeal. Lot of fan service and proven winners. Did incredibly well with the general audience. But lost points with many of the long time fan base.

R1 went for more nuanced SW lore and tried to do a lot more with it that was new. Got blasted for that by a lot of the lifers.

They really just have to find the balance and take the least amount of damage as possible.

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Huh?
No significance? How is that exactly?

 

We already knew the outcome. just to watch how they go the plans was a safe film. the characters didnt have meaning. it was more on the fly and that the film was heavily based on Vader. this is just how i see it, my opinion. I like how they all died to end their story but it could of been a better film if it was added while ANH was going on. then a story within a story would of been better, to me...

 

A movie with no Skywalker, no Jedi, no Han, no Obi-Wan, no Lightsabers, No Leia (spare me, 15 seconds don't count), 10 minutes of Vader, no Emperor...is safe?

I guess I just don't see exactly what you are saying here. The film wasn't based on Vader, I mean, he's barely in it for 10 minutes. I really don't understand how the characters don't have meaning.

Im not trying to be rude, just trying to understand fully what you mean by no meaning.

 

I felt that it was a safe film. Adding the 10mins total of Vader,Leia,CPO and a lightsaber is what i view as filler. Jyn is the only main character and she was only needed. I thought there would be a better story than what was presented. I guess its all backstory to fill with the R1 cast but we only get more info about Jyn. I felt that its was alot of name drops to gett this movie going. alot of cut scenes that got people into it. the R1 crew should of been a story of the crew not a story of just need Jyn to find "stardust" and only her to find out thats it.

I do understand if you still dont fully understand my views. I just felt the movie was good but not great. it was a safe SW film just being so close to Ep. IV.

 

Scenes with Vader were like cherries on the top. They barely affect the film but they are nice addtions for people to enjoy. Rogue One would have been basically the same if four minutes of scenes with Vader were cut.

 

Hmm. I still can't agree with it being "safe" despite understanding more where you are coming from. I disagree about Vader being filler, I think he was essential in his short role.

I learned plenty about Cassian and who he is, Chirrut got some backstory as well. It's a small movie for a SW film in that you don't have 2 more movies to finish fleshing out these characters.

I think it was all about the crew. Each crew member had their own little arc.
Cassian went from cold killer to warm hero.
Bodie went from cowardly traitor to self sacrificing hero.
Chirrut went out protecting people like he protected the temple.
Baze went from laughing about the force to believing in it.
K2SO went from selfish dick (and hilarious) robot to heroic

 

...Because Cassian told him to complete his character arc that way.

 

at the moment my criticsms of R1 are minor:

• silly "choke" line from Vader.
• the scope of the final battle meant the denouement lacked an intimacy i'd hoped for.
• sniper Cassian merely winging Krennic to save Jyn was not very inspired or dramatic for me (i did like that she wanted to pound him afterwards).
• i just wanted to spend more time with the characters. despite the long running time, it was somehow too short.
  
• all those cool aliens totally underused! not even one actual shot of Moroff. boo.

 

Those last three bullet points are right on target; I agree whole-heartedly. By the way, do we know for sure that Krennic died? I have only seen the movie once and cannot remember exactly, because the last several minutes of the film were breathtaking. I remember Cassian blasting him, a few scenes happened, and then our heroes were on the shores of the tropical beach about to begin their "Journey to the Grey Havens".

Moroff was on Jedha in a couple of scenes.

 

yeah, Moroff was on Saw's team when they took Bohdi, but you never even got a good look at him (and presumably he ate space dirt when Jeddha went).

Krennic was toast. the last we see of him is staring down the eye of the Death Star as it fires on Scarif.
i don't think his death was done well. this was a moment where i feel like they should have gone total obvious Raiders of the Lost Ark and shown him be disintegrated by his own machine. but it's very heavily implied at least.

 

I actually like the choke line from Vader. I did not find it out of line with some of his other lines, "I find your lack of faith disturbing", "Apology accepted...", etc.

Keep in mind that "sniper Cassian" was pretty injured, using a pistol, and we don't know how long it was before he got there and fired. He also did more than merely wing Krennic as it knocked him unconscious.

Moroff was in several scenes on Jedha but essentially in a non-action role. This guy is carrying rocket launchers and a gatling gun, was it too much to ask for him to light up that Chicken Walker in Jedha with said gatling gun? He also would have been amazing on Scarif but would have required our heroes rescuing a few of Saw's rebels from Jedha.

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Bistan's scene from the trailer was exactly his scene in the movie, plus we got to hear him scream as his U-wing went down. I thought his scene was pretty cool and would have like to see something similar from Moroff. Hoping Moroff is with Saw in Rebels coming up.

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I like Krennic's death. He watches as his "baby" ascends in sky knowing full well the Death Star is not there to observe. After the laser ignites and they cut back to Krennic you can see the green glow of the laser in his eyes. He knows. Also, by confronting Jyn, Krennic now knows that Galen was right, Krennic will never win.

 

Moroff blowing up a chicken walker would have made it all better, yes! ~ hahaha

i'm seeing it again on Christmas, so maybe i will feel those ending moments a little less uneven. i didn't notice, for example, the reflection of the Death Star's rays in Krennic's eyes. a little detail like that may be all the difference.

as for Cassian, i'm willing too to give him more consideration second time around. i think i had in my mind who i thought he was--and then he was someone completely unexpected, so i need to adjust accordingly. in the meantime, it felt to me like his rescue of Jyn in that moment just wasn't that inspired: a bit pat, a bit cliché, and a not particularly fraught for what i was hoping.