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Daisy Ridley Confirms That Rey Kenobi Was An Option For Star Wars Sequels

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    Last December, we got a clear answer to the question of Rey's heritage - albeit not without controversy - in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, in which it was uncovered that Rey was a descendant of the Galactic Emperor himself. But a recent interview with Ridley reveals that another option was on the table while they were working on the film: Rey, at one point, was going to be related to Obi-Wan Kenobi.





    Jimmy Kimmel Live guest host Josh Gad asked Daisy Ridley some questions about her role in Star Wars. When met with the question of whether or not she knew what Rey's parentage was from the moment that she set foot on The Force Awakens, she gave a pretty clear answer: 'No.' You can check out the video below, along with our continued coverage of its after that:



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    'At the beginning, there was toying with an Obi-Wan connection... There were, like, different versions.' Ridley explained that they had lots of different ideas as they were making the movies, including the concept that she really was nobody, which is what they seemingly went with in The Last Jedi before turning around and explaining that there was more to the story. Ridley explained that when being pitched The Rise of Skywalker, she was told that Rey was related to Sheev Palpatine; however, she noted that a few weeks later, the creative team on the final Star Wars project in the Skywalker saga was trying to figure out what the answer to that story element was going to be - a process that Ridley was left in the dark with even up to a certain point in filming.



    Both possibilities, interestingly enough, were alluded to back in The Force Awakens with the Force flashback sequence: among the various voices that Rey hears are both Sheev Palpatine ('...Any Jedi!', a snippet of a line borrowed from Revenge of the Sith, and notably the only Sith voice that she hears during that sequence) and Obi-Wan Kenobi (with clever audio editing allowing Alec Guiness to say 'Rey!' while Ewan McGregor whispers 'These are your first steps...', the sole line he recorded for that film). While Abrams gave both The Last Jedi director Rian Johnson and  Colin Trevorrow (who was originally set to write and direct Episode IX which he called Duel of the Fates) room to come up with their own answers, Abrams fell back on these two ideas before ultimately settling on tying Rey's story to the resurgent arch-villain of the Skywalker saga. Nonetheless, both the younger and older versions of Kenobi are heard once again at the film's end, in which she finally makes contact with the Jedi who preceded her in time for her final trial, as the fate of the Star Wars galaxy hangs in the balance.



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    When pressed for details about who Rey's grandmother might be, Ridley joked 'You tell me!' to Gad. The official in-canon story, as revealed by the novelization, is that Rey does not actually have a paternal grandmother - her 'father' was actually an imperfect clone of Palpatine who lacked any Force potential whatsoever, and he had a daughter with a woman after he escaped from Exegol somehow. Technically, we don't know much about Rey's mother, so it could always turn out that she was the grand-neice of the Jedi Master or something if they really want to go there.



    Naturally, the conversation closed with a question of whether or not Ridley has plans to play Rey again in the future. She seems to be more open about a possible return to Star Wars than some of her co-stars do right now  - but for now, that story is over. 'I'd say never say never [to a return], but to me, The Rise of Skywalker was tied up with a bow.' Currently, it seems as though Lucasfilm is interested in filling in the gaps in other points in the space opera franchise's long history before revisiting the sequel trilogy era specifically, which is likely the smartest option for the time being, but it seems likely that we'll get more stories about Rey and her friends at some point in the future, even if Daisy Ridley and her co-stars may not be involved.



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    As I said on a previous post about the interview - this is fascinating. So after TFA, when Daisy was talking about Rey's lineage being obvious, she really meant Kenobi. (TFA hints at this pretty well, so I'm not too surprised.) And RJ really meant Nobody, and then JJ just wanted something different it seems.*
    Changing direction during the creation process of something is totally fine, but the fact that it changed so much over the course of the trilogy...that leaves a weird taste in my mouth. It's like one of those "my feelings are vindicated and justified, but I really wish they weren't" sort of tastes. Not the first time in the past seven days either...

    Overall, while I think this interview is good background info for us fans, I don't think it helps Lucasfilm's image, nor does it paint a better picture of the ST.

    *Maybe JJ thought pre-TLJ that Luke was going to take Rey under his tutelage, and then Rey would be so endeared by this act that she'd take his name at the end of the trilogy. When RJ said "well, you didn't make a decision on her lineage, so I'll do it for my story" and took Rey and Luke's arcs in a different direction, JJ felt a little loss. And then he realized that if he can make Rey's grandparents bad, then he can use that to motivate Rey to change her name. Or that's how I'll probably justify it.
     
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    This is not the case. It's important to remember that Daisy/Mark did some filming for The Last Jedi before TFA was released. Rian Johnson's story (the meat of it) was done long before TFA wrapped production. One of the last things JJ worked on in TFA (a month before release) was the forceback scene that included Kenobi. At that point of production JJ knows that Rey is a nobody. So it wasn't a hint or part of some plan. When TFA was released Daisy believes Rey is a nobody. That was the obvious conclusion until JJ changed things in the last film
     
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    Pre-production on Skellig Island, which had nothing to do with Rey's heritage.

    But I see your point and after finding some quotes I'll concede that JJ did know Rey's heritage. But it still looks bad for JJ to change his mind to make her a Palpatine, especially if he and RJ had talked about her being a Nobody years earlier.



    I sort of do. There were other paths to take that he chose not to. But that's a discussion that's been done to death a dozen different ways for a wildly-tiring amount of days. We shouldn't discuss it here.
     
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    I really don’t understand this narrative that creatives can’t change their minds between movies. George making Leia a Skywalker in RotJ (after having her make out with Luke in Empire) was far more jarring than Rey being a Palpatine.
     
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    YMMV on whether it was more shocking, but we critique Lucas' choice just as much as we critique Abrams'. Luke and Leia's dynamic is one of the main things people would probably change to the OT if given the chance. It's not bad to change minds during things. It happens all the time. But when it upsets what's been previously stated and it doesn't flow well*, then it becomes obvious and can - and possibly should - be pointed out as such. Star Wars is far from the only story that does this: Arrow, Avatar: The Last Airbender, Game of Thrones, the MCU, etc.

    *This is the main key here. If a mind-change is done well, like with Vader and Anakin being the same, it becomes famous and is lauded. If not...well...
     
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    I’m still a supporter of Rey Nobody. I don’t think Rey Palpatine worked particularly well, nor do I think it was a very interesting angle to go with since it was already done with Luke’s relationship to Vader. Rey Kenobi would have been really fitting thematically (the descendant of Obi-Wan forming a connection to the descendant of Anakin and trying to redeem him), but I don’t know how they could’ve fit this in organically besides having Luke or the ghost of Obi-Wan himself straight up telling her. It also wouldn’t give Rey any internal conflict about her heritage, unlike her being related to drunkard nobodies or Palpatine. I think Rey Nobody would have struck the best balance with giving her an interesting character and arc.

    I’m okay with Rey Skywalker, but that falls a little flat for me because her relationship with Luke when he was alive wasn’t particularly great. It could have been more satisfying if they had an actual rapport. I won’t be annoying and whine about her stealing their name like some folks do...
     
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    Good points all around. But if it's the case that she was referring to "Rey Nobody", then we know that what she deemed "obvious" is something she knew was actually once completely different.

    Can't really blame her, as she was playing the press game at that point as any actor would. But it's all the more fascinating now that she's even able to be this open about the process.

    I hope that in time the sequel trilogy is cemented as a worthy trilogy in Star Wars, but I have a feeling my opinion of it is going to sink over the next few years. Which stinks, because I honestly once liked a lot of what they were trying to do.
     
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    I think in time it will be seen the same as the PT.
    Divisive but people will cool off majorly on it as more new Star Wars comes out to draw the ire of weirdos who feel ownership over it.
     
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    Reading stuff about the creative process for these things is always fascinating. While I can see why Kenobi would be considered, I think JJ and Terrio made the right call with making her a Palpatine, as it better fits the narrative themes the two were going for with their version of IX. Whether or not this conflicts with the ground work laid before it is up for debate. That said...

    This is essentially what will happen in the long run. People will soften up to it as the years go by, and there will likely be more than a few that will praise their decision to change the narrative direction.

    Such is the vicious cycle of this franchise.
     
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    Thanks, Daisy... thanks for clearing that up. ( you made my day) @Veronica

    So in the near future, we'll get books, and animated shows to correct all the plot holes in this sequel trilogy... just like the prequels, and we'll love it even more so... ya gotta love Star Wars... :)
    ( Darth Maul and Palpatine made a magnificent return, so can Supreme Leader Kylo Ren)
    You gotta love JJ Abrams, master of the mystery box, and lens flares... (duel)

    Its a wrap JJ you finally finished it!!! Purrfect ending to the Skywalker Saga...



    Daisy Ridley was asked if Palpatine was always her relative. No, it was not. The utter lack of care and direction regarding the sequel trilogy has me beyond bothered. I found it hard to find my words in this first time reaction and realization that we've really truly been all lied to regarding everything. The Mandalorian is all I have to look forward to. With Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni behind Star Wars, there is hope. As far as the sequels go, they're no longer in my timeline of Star Wars canon. I don't think the actors should ever be to blame. Neither should the writers and directors. You can't expect them to understand Star Wars. The higher ups who sign off on such a thing, especially when appointed by George Lucas like KK was, should have put her foot down and really course corrected things. Everything is so messed up, and the final nail is in. I hope things continue under Favreau. He is a new hope.

     
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    You can certainly blame the writers. And I totally expect them to understand Star Wars. If they don't understand Star Wars, it's the producer's fault for hiring the wrong writers.

    The only times you CAN'T blame the writer is if the producer forced changes to their story. Or if the producer gave them impossible time restraints.
     
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    Yes and no.
    I 100% agree that there are times to blame the writers. But to expect them to understand Star Wars is a completely asinine thing.* Star Wars means different things to different people, and they view it through different lens.

    To some, it's just a good movie or three; to others, it's a story of hope, maybe one that inspires them to either write their own story or find their own redemption. To some, it's the new myth that we tell ourselves as a culture, in the same vein as The Iliad or the Aeneid. To others, it's just another outdated pop culture trend that's trying to come back.

    To some, Luke and Rey are their first heroes. To others, Luke and Rey are just more of the same.
    Who's the best Jedi? Luke? Yoda? Obi-Wan? Rey?
    Who's the best Sith? Vader? Palpatine? Maul? Revan?
    What is the core of Star Wars? The western vibes? The mysticism? The Japanese samurai film influence?
    Is The Clone Wars somehow "lesser" because it doesn't always have that western vibe? Is Solo "lesser" because it doesn't have Jedi? Is The Mandalorian "lesser" because there are no Sith?

    Gareth Edwards' view of Star Wars included a gritty war espionage film - mine never did, but the idea of Star Wars is better for that inclusion.

    All of these questions have variables and reasons for being the way they are, and people's opinions on all of them are free to change over time. I have a different view of Star Wars than I did three years ago, which is different from other people in this Cantina's view of Star Wars, which is different from my friend who has only seen Episodes 5, 6, & 7.

    What I think a writer should probably focus on is how their piece fits into the larger narrative, and what the ramifications of that narrative are, if there are any at all. And on making a good product of course.

    Should a writer who can make phenomenal, high-tension, and emotionally resonant stories be excluded because they don't "understand" what Star Wars is?

    Maybe not the ONLY times, but nevertheless your point still stands...


    *In this case meaning pointless, lest you think I'm calling you asinine. I'm very much not.
     
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    *shrug*
    I have no issues with the story.
    It works really well to me. Sucks for those it doesn't.

    Personally, I'm glad it went the way it did.
    Some of these other ideas would have really irritated me. Especially this Kenobi idea. I would have had a hard time watching it a second time.

    The nobody shtick I could have lived with, but it would have always bothered me because it's just so not the way this Saga works. That's not very soap opera.
    It is extremely soap opera to be told you are a nobody and then find out you're the villain's grandchild.

    The only thing narrative wise I'm a little bit disatisfied with is the lack of on-screen resolve for Finn yelling at Rey repeatedly.

    It's no Morgan Freeman and John Travolta in The Poison Rose level of flat soda lack of resolution, but it's a bit of a sloppy spot.

    But that's fine. I've lived my whole life with the sloppy mess that is ROTJ's Lando and Han reunion so no biggie.

    By a long shot, I am thrilled with what I got.
    Glad I have it. :)

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    I get what you're saying. And thanks for the mature response. :) Genuinely, that's rare.

    I guess part of my frustration with the franchise is that I wish Disney hired writers who understand Star Wars. Yes everyone has their own take on it. But obviously there are others who understand the rules, mysticism, wonder, etc. of what made the originals so great in the first place.

    I know the writers are out there.
     
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    Only the time will tell if making Rey a Palpatine was a good idea.

    I hated this idea, over Rey's nobody, first I saw the movie in the theater. Now I can accept it, even if bringing back Palpatine as a clone was not my favorite idea (we had this in the Dark Empire comics).
     
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    Actually Daisy Ridley knowing about JJ considering her being a descendant of Obi-Wan but knowing nothing about being a Palpatine doesn't actually mean JJ didn't consider it. He could even worked in some hints for boths.
    But if I were JJ I can imagine telling Daisy about Kenobi, because it wouldn't ruin anything if she accidentally drops words on that in an interview. Being an Kenobi isn't that big of a twist. But her being a Palpatine is some sort of twist that you don't want to be dropped before hand. So direct the movie so that it has some hints (and right after the TFA release people made videos about hints they claimed to be there), but only tell as many people as necessary.
    So he could have considered both but not telling the whole truth (and we all know that Cumberbatch is not Khan from a certain point of view).
     
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    Describing a 5 year process in less than 30 seconds is always going to make things sound way more chaotic and sloppy than they actually were. Also, much of this has been taken out of context online, but who's surprised by that? Daisy said they toyed with the idea of making her a Kenobi and suddenly it's, "I KNEW IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE REY KENOBI"... but that's not really how it works. Who knows how far along they toyed with that idea, obviously one would think pretty far considering it made its way to Daisy but it still doesn't set anything in stone. Thousands, probably tens of thousands of ideas were toyed with in the making of these films.
     
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    I can’t believe this is such a big deal. I think it’s fairly obvious the initial plan (pre-TFA) was for her to be Rey Nobody, who then adopts the Skywalker name. But they left it open to give her a legacy heritage (Palpatine/Kenobi) by giving hints in TFA (which would could act as vague foreshadowing if needed). That way if Rian or Colin decided that wanted to pivot do something different, they could (which in my opinion, giving directors/writers freedom to develop their story is a good thing). I 100% believe the only reason JJ pivoted to Rey Palpatine, was to appease the “Mary Sue” crowd people and manspain her abilities. Just like the kiss at the end was to appease the “Reylo” supporters. But the point is, it doesn’t matter. Everything that has been said about the development was probably true (from a certain point of view, nobody is “LyInG tO uS”) and this idea everything has to be totally set in stone before you make 3 movies (especially when the initial plan is for 3 different writer/directors) over a 5/6 year period is nonsense. Likewise, just because everything wasn’t totally set in stone doesn’t mean their “wasn’t a plan at all”. Just means they gave themselves flexibility and didn’t paint themselves into a corner from the off.

    Let’s be real, the people who hate the sequel trilogy will have hated Rey Kenobi, Rey Solo or Rey the Hutt just as much as they hate Rey Nobody, Rey Skywalker and Rey Palpatine.
     
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    So basically they were making this up as they went along, with no backstory continuity plan. . . .
     
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