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Daisy Ridley: Fans Will Know the Complete Story Behind Reys Parents by the End of The Rise of Skywalker

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by SWNN Probe, Jul 1, 2019.

  1. Kylocity

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    She moved on in the sense that she has accepted the fight, but I think it would have been unwise of RJ's to ignore Rey's psychological baggage and what JJ really had established in TFA, spending several minutes showing Rey's routine, her scratching days on her wall, her living day by day stoically, waiting. "I know all about waiting". The hope of getting back the people who are going to help and nurture you as you grow older ( aka parents) doesn't go away like that, no matter how awesome Finn and Chewie are...

    And then the death of Han Solo reopened in Rey that scar and in TLJ Kylo keeps poking in that wound, and she is hurt because she needs a parent, she "needs someone to show her her place in all this..." and is jealous of Ben( "You had parents who gave a damn about you.") Kylo tells her that his parents treated her like garbage and she doesn't want to believe that, she wants to believe that her parents were good people and that they will come back for her. When she asks the mirror to "show me my parents", she is being a child who wants to show Kylo that he is wrong, that she, like Kylo, isn't devoid of someone's unconditional love... But she is wrong. There is nobody there for her. So now we have Rey reaching a point (isolated from friends and with no hope of finding her parents) where Kylo can influence her. This is character progression. Not knowing Rey's parents and making a mystery of them has had a purpose.

    Now, I can see how the mystery of her parents may appear again in TROS. After all, it is the best way to manipulate Rey. As Kylo said: It's her greatest weakness.
     
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    After The Force Awakens, did you get the sense Rey didn't know who her parents even were?
     
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    Exactly. That was my next post to @Mosley909. It is obvious that Rey is being sarcastic... She even later calls BB8 "Classified" in the same way Han calls Finn "Big Deal". They are poking fun at their self-importance.
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    I got the sense that she was abandoned by her parents, but that there was a strong possibility that those "parents" weren't her real ones.
     
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    I'm talking about from Rey's point of view. I never got the sense she didn't know who there were. She made it clear that she's in denial waiting for them to return. The big questions in her mind being... "Where are they? Why did they leave me? Are they dead? Having her emotional about her parents being "nobodies" made no sense to me. So what they were junk traders. The part that sucks is if they actually sold her. I don't think this sits well with JJ's vision which is why we will get more on her parents in TROS.

    As an audience I got the feeling they may not be her real parents. But I never got a sense from anything Rey said or did that would lead me to believe her family wasn't her real family.
     
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    See again that's your interpretation of the scene. Most people watching the scene went ow the director is saying their is a mystery about the girl(Rey), I wonder what it is. Which is what JJ is famous for so its a very good bet that is what he was trying to do, but its all interpretation.

    Its all up for interpretation and that's yours which is fine, but for me while I do like Rey being no one, I walked away from these two films going one director just wanted to set up mystery around a character because that what he likes doing, and the other wanted to do a subversion because that what a lot of his film was based around and have the mystery answer that their was no real mystery and the character may have even known that all along. It just felt JJ did a mystery box and Rian went the mystery box is empty.

    For me that was a disappointing end to a two film arc, the Rey character has been so heavily based around this mystery, where far more enthisis, from both directors on who or what she is that they have given more time to that then who she is as a person.

    Look we all like different things and have different interpretations of films, but for me when you build up a mystery as much as these two directors did, then you have to have a pretty amazing reveal to justify it. And personally I think the subversion way out of their no one and the character may have known all along, just falls flat after such huge build up. So even if I like that she is no one, I want them to expand on it just to justify giving that much screen time to the mystery.
     
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    I think everyone is taking the word of the writers and directors too literally.... we all have to remember that we won't learn the "truth" until they want us to. It's a know n fact that J.J hates spoilers and on purpose doesn't like every say anything about the movie in interviews. in fact he'll say things that are down right wrong. The prime example of this was when he said that Khan was not going to be in Star Trek Into Darkness. Was that true? No. So why are we so readily accepting every response as the truth particularly from him
     
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    I used to see this like you, until I realised that Rey is coping with the fact that her parents abandoned her by repressing memories and imagining that her parents were good people who would eventually come back for her. Maz and her vision in TFA dispel the myth that they are coming back. Kylo and the cave in TLJ reveal not only that they aren't nice people, but also that they are not special (It might have crossed Rey's mind that her parents would have the force like her.)

    But what it is important is not who Rey's parents are but how they are being used to make Rey evolve in the story.
     
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    I agree that what actor, writers, and directors say in interviews are pretty useless. Lucas himself has contradicted or changed things a million times. It's better to stick with what's presented on screen.
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    Is it though? How many kids raise themselves from 7 or 8 years old and become a selfless, caring person like Rey?

    I don't think her parents are important at all. It doesn't matter who or where you come from, anyone from anywhere can be the hero or the villain. That's the message I've gotten from these two films.
     
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    I'm not saying this premise is realistic. This is a fantasy story after all.

    And you are just taking the whole 'Rey and her parents' too literally. Waiting for her parents to return is used to give Rey an obstacle to overcome. The abandonment of her parents is being used by Kylo to manipulate her. Of course Rey can be a hero no matter who her parents are, but she had to learn that herself. Remember this is a story about dealing with what came before, the good and the bad. About the mistakes of the previous generation. Identifying "parents" with the previous generation is important.
     
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    Learning more about Rey's parents in TRoS can provide context for her personal journey and her place in the broader "Skywalker Saga", especially if at least one of her parents is distantly related to the Skywalker family through Shmi... which would not be a retcon of TLJ because it's not the name of Skywalker itself that is important, it's a specific branch of that family tree (Anakin-Luke-Leia) that's important
     
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    If only we knew what mistakes the previous generation made it would make more sense. All we got is Han was a disappointing father and Luke made an epic blunder because he saw his nephew kill his Jedi students. The premise is pretty weak. Add to that in order to prop up the current generation and give them purpose, they are basically crapping on our child hood heroes. Not the best way to continue the story.
     
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    All the material is explicitly and equally canon - right up until the point where a filmmaker needs to do something in a movie that contradicts the EU canon. Then the EU canon gets completely ignored.

    We were told during the 90's that the EU was all canon. Then when Lucas made the prequels, he completely ignored the EU's "canon." After the prequels, we got another decade of books and comics. Then when Disney announced they were making more movies, they threw it all away.

    Don't believe for a single second they wouldn't throw away any part of it they want (yet again) if it doesn't fit their storytelling needs for upcoming feature films. And it should be that way. The director making a $200 million feature film should not have to be beholden to something written in Star Wars Issue 33.
     
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    While I agree to some extent, there's no reason for it to be that way. While I'm not a Marvel nerd, they seem to have kept things pretty cohesive over 21 films with a lot of source material.
     
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    That's a way of looking at it indeed, although not the most constructive way in my opinion.

    I wouldn't put the blame of Kylo's turn on Han and Leia. What caused Kylo's turn was Snoke and the idolisation of his grandfather. The only mistake that Han and Leia made was not being there enough to see what was happening. Kylo's own personality probably didn't help him when faced with evil. He probably wasn't strong enough to assume the notoriety of his family without feeling insecure and angry. Luke however did precipitate Kylo's turn to the dark. He forgot that you don't win over evil with evil, but with love. It is the dark side curse in the Skywalker line all over again... It was always going to come back, if we believe in Lucas original idea for Luke at the end of ROTJ. This is a saga and sagas are stories of fathers and sons and what is brought forward from generation to generation. The ST was always going to deal with these themes.

    And Rey, she was very intentionally brought to the story without parents for this very reason. She has no ties with the past, apparently, and that is, probably, both her strength and her weakness. And if that is the case, let's TROS tell us how and why. :)
     
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    When the Story Group was first developed it was developed for the sole purpose of trying to make sure there was not contradictions in the canon material. Typically now the only place where there is contradictions is the movie novels because the novels are being written before the movies are completed and the movies will often change during production. It is in these instances that what happens in the movie takes canonical precedence over the novels.
     
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    That's not at all how this works.

    Contradictions are almost completely eliminated under the "Story Group" system because if a story point comes up that creates a contradiction, the Story Group will point it out and work to find a way to tell the same story point in a way that isn't contradictory.
     
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    People used to think that way in the 90's. Then they thought that way again in the late 00's to early 10's. And in each case, the canon was disregarded the moment it became convenient to do so.

    It is easy to not have any contradictions when the whole EU is relatively new, and so much of it is confined to the OT timeframe (in fact, it's getting to the point where there are so many stories between E4 and E5 that it just doesn't make any sense that so much happened in so short of a timeframe). But if, for example, B&W (or some subsequent producer way down the line) want to do something which contradicts Star Wars Issue #54, then we will once again see the EU pushed aside. And that's the way it should be. They are smart enough to know that the vast majority of moviegoers neither know nor care what the comics or the books say and a $200 million production shouldn't be compromised because of something some comic book writer put in years ago.
     
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    There's a significant difference between an 'illusory Canonical shared universe' and an 'actually Canonical shared universe'. The former is what existed prior to 2014, and the latter is what exists now.

    The Story Group exists for the sole purpose of making sure that everything lines up completely with everything else, so your hypothetical scenario where somebody comes up with a story idea for a piece of filmic SW media that is contradictory to something that has already been previously established in a piece of non-filmic SW media and that overrides said piece of non-filmic media just isn't likely to happen because, if it did, it means that the Story Group failed at their job.
     
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    Soooo, how about Rey's filthy drunk parents?

    Has it been confirmed who Dominic Monaghan is playing? I think I saw something where it looked like he was a Resistance fighter. He'd be a good age to play Rey's father. Just wondering if there is anyone cast that could play her parents in a flashback.
     
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    You are correct. There were leaked character stills that showed him in what appeared to be a Resistance uniform
     
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