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Dambusters and Derivative Stories

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by ChewiesDog, Jan 6, 2016.

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What is more derivative?

  1. Taking the backdrop, tone, and a couple of plot devices, but having new dialogue, story, meaning

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  2. Taking the dialogue and specific scenes, modifying them slightly, but having totally dierent context

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  1. ChewiesDog

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    While I have known my whole life that Lucas was "influenced" by Dambusters I have never seen it. Wow, those scenes are shot for shot copies of Dambusters. Not that I care mind you, but it is a good reminder that Star Wars was not quite as original as we sometimes think. I have seen a lot of Kurosawa films so I am aware of how the plot of Star Wars closely mimics The Hidden Fortress, including the bumbling fat guy /skinny guy who become R2 and C3PO. You can call it homage or ripoff, either way you have an argument.

    What Lucas did was genius in that he took some great stories that worked, mashed them up, and applied cutting special effects. And I love him for it!
     
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    I agree. And despite their derivative nature they were brilliant. But I was floored by how Dambusters was so note for note the same.

    I do think the new movies, particularly TFA, are going to be overly criticized for their seeming similaities. Unless Johnson gets weird enough, and then I'm afraid he'll get flack for it "not being star wars". It is a good example of how fickle we critics/fans can be.
     
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    Yeah I have almost no problem with the supposed rehashes in The Force Awakens. I think they could have skipped the whole Death Star 3 and the movie would have been fine without it, but it was also great with it so I have no complaints. Though I really hope we are done with Death Stars for good now. If there's a Super Duper Mega Death Star I might have to wait for the Blu Ray...
     
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    You should watch these, they're brilliant, and prove George Lucas heavily borrowed from British WW2 films for Star Wars....


    and the other way around....



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