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OFFICIAL NEWS Dark Disciple – Unlikely Allies, Impossible Odds, and the Heart of Darkness on an Impossible Mission

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Books & Comics + Legends' started by Viral Hide, Jun 25, 2015.

  1. Viral Hide

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    He did an awesome job, and in typical @DEKKA129 style, he stayed far, FAR, away from them spoilers!! LOL!! :)
     
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    Thanks, Viral.

    Hey everyone! So, I noticed a request in the comments section of the review that I kick down a few spoilers. Tell me how far you'd like me to go with it. I don't necessarily want to blow the whole thing for everyone, but it's up to you guys.

    Viral, are we still under any legal or ethical requirement to keep quiet about any of this between now and the time the book is released?

    (By the way, I ended up shortening the article title a bit, at the suggestion of the Department of Redundancy Department.) ;)
     
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    As soon as Viral answers, I'VE got a question..... (hand waving furiously from the back of the room)
     
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    (Bathroom's that way. Take the hall pass on your way out.)
     
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    But, but......ok. :(
     
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    I got my advance copy today! A perk of my job. Aftermath is next
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    Whether it be sooner or later, I'll definitely be seeking out a spoilery review. I've read all of the new canon books so far, but I've got zero interest in this one. So I'll vicariously read it through others. :)
     
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    I'm damned jealous!
    --- Double Post Merged, Jun 26, 2015, Original Post Date: Jun 26, 2015 ---
    Dammit, that's my position also. I read Heir to the Jedi and unfortunately...was not that impressed. :( As for this one, I'm finding myself disinterested in Dark Disciple because it's a story that doesn't really change what we know...more of a filler plug IMHO. I'm REALLY excited to read Aftermath, and I won't read any spoilers here about it. That book will give us an insight and possibly more of an understanding to what we're going to see in December.
     
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    I know! I have been waiting anxiously for this one (thought maybe they forgot about me) and can't stand the wait for Aftermath! Will be reading this tonight and this weekend
     
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    Im just wondering if Vos and Ventress die.If not it opens them up to appear in cannon further down the timeline.
     
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    Well since there is a huge spoiler in the book, I don't think it's wise to speak about it, at least until July 7. But @DEKKA129 can share some minor ones. And make sure to use the spoiler tag.
     
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    A huge spoiler in terms of Rebels is what I was thinking there may be. I'm hoping the new female inquisitor is ventress. I have a whole story in my head where she's captured by vader, and the emperor has her tortured and modified by Dr. Cylo from the vader comics. Then she becomes a sort of lobotomized, robotic killer with just a small going of humanity left in her.
     
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    just watched this review

     
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    I just finished the audiobook version, and if you can, I highly recommend it! Like I've said in previous threads about new canon novels, some of the clunkier aspects of the text vresins are smoothed out because it's like hearing a radio play (complete with music and foley sound effects).

    After listening, I hold Quinlan in much higher esteem. Seeing him in TCW, I got the impression he was a bit of a frat-boyish, thug Jedi, but in this you get to see how good of a heart he has.

    The same goes for Ventress. She's a badass, but she also has a goodness and vulnerability. She could'very been a great Jedi if she hadn't experienced so much trauma in her life.

    The addictive nature of the Dark Side is also on full-display. Ventress is, essentially, in "recovery," and in her own way trying to atone for her sins. There's a nice parallel between the Quinlan/Ventress relationship with the Anakin/Padme one. Afterwards, you get the feeling that there could've been hope for Ani if only someone had seen his pain.

    You also get to see how much goodness Obi Wan has, and it adds to his eventual guilt over losing Anakin to the Dark Side.

    The corruption and hypocrisy of the Jedi Order is also on display, and you can see that many of the Council members had more Dark Side in them than Light, even if they didn't see it.

    The Yoda inverted speech still gets a little grating, but he is very much portrayed in full Buddhist teacher mode. One other negative of the audiobook for me was the accent the VO actor chose for Mace. To me, the actor affects a bit of a minstrel show accent, bordering on a tad offensive. Also, there isn't a whole lot of differentiation between Anakin and Vos's voice, so scenes with them together are kind of confusing--making you have to concentrate on which one is speaking.

    Overall though, it was a really fun listen. And I think it probably lessened the more melodramatic aspects of the text. I think from here on out, I'll definitely be doing the audio versions of the new canon novels.
     
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    I'm a few chapters in and I love it! I went in with pretty low expectations, don't get me wrong I love Clone Wars series, but I'm ready to move forward in th SW universe. Christie Golden handles this material very well and keeps everything feeling fresh.
     
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    I believe it was a good ending for the Clone Wars era. TBH, we've been in it since 2002 - so that's about 13 years! As @Kyle said, the time for the Clone Wars to end is here. We've covered so much material for just three years! That's more than anything between ANH and TESB, which is also three years, TESB to ROTJ, which is just a year and uncovered now that Shadows is Legends, and of course TPM to AOTC has little to no material for 10 years! So with that, Dark Disciple was a very satisfying end, and Clone Wars Legacy did a good job releasing the unfinished episodes in every media type possible.

    As for Dark Disciple, I loved it. Simple as that. I felt Quinlan was really respected as a character, whereas in TCW he didn't have enough substance to make him anything other than a weird "Surfer-Jedi", but in the comics he was really how Anakin could have been if there was more film time for his fall. Ventress, on the other hand, had an equally amazing, and very heartbreaking arc. I wished she could have had more, but reflecting on the years with her, from Sith to anti-hero, it really was a great novel throughout, and how she was slowly healed by Vos was great stuff, and I truly accepted this version of Asajj as infinitely superior to the Rattataki version of the original Clone Wars comics and TV show. The action really fit well with TCW's style, but also seemed to have hints of a style of OT and Rebels, especially with Vos's adventures with Ventress. As for the overall story, I felt it was pretty deep. It had more substance than Heir to the Jedi (which i really enjoyed), and in many ways was close in details with The Sith Lords, but not as far as Tarkin.

    The Clone Wars era may continue slighlty in Rebels with Asohka, Rex, Gregor and Wolffe, but for the most part, this was the best way to close the chapter on The Clone Wars. Now onward, to "Journey to The Force Awakens"!
     
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    Just finished this.

    As if we needed any more proof that the Jedi of PT/Clone Wars lost their way, Dark Disciple is the last nail in that particular coffin. Even those who oppose assassination as a tool in principle, go with the decision to murder Dooku. Basically, the only likable Jedi in the novel is Obi Wan. And I never liked Mace Windu less than in this book. Yoda is trying to walk both paths but that is impossible. So, the Jedi screw two lives in the process, plus many, many other who become collateral damage. I liked that Obi Wan acknowledges this and confronts the Jedi with the truth.

    I always liked the character of Ventress but she grew on me more and more as she extricated herself from Dooku, became full Nightsister and later bounty hunter. She was certainly better developed character than Vos (in canon), who while likable and fun, didn't have much substance to him. The author changed that and gave him complexity while keeping his persona intact. Vos is basically undercover cop for the Jedi going into Donnie Brasco territory with this new mission. Both characters were treated with respect and given a good story arc. Ventress sees her delusions and mistakes and rejects the dark side completely in the end. Vos goes into a downward spiral and I couldn't help seeing parallels between him and Anakin as well as him and Ventress and Anakin and Padme.

    I'm not particularly enamored with the idea that Ventress had to die to save Quinlan, but it makes sense for the story. I like how she was embraced both by the Force and her sisters in the end.

    In the end I enjoyed the novel very much, but I think your enjoyment in it will depend on your knowledge of the characters. If you watched the Clone Wars, you will. If not, maybe.

    The following paragraph sums up the novel for me:

    “We lost our way,” Kenobi had said. “We lost it when we decided to use assassination, a practice so clearly of the dark side, for our own ends, well intentioned though they might have been. All that has happened since—Vos succumbing to the dark side, the deaths he has directly and indirectly caused, the secrets leaked, the worlds placed in jeopardy—all of this can be traced back to that single decision. Masters, I submit to you that Vos’s fall was of ourmaking. And Asajj Ventress’s death is on all our hands. That Vos is here with us today, devastated but on the light path once more, is no credit to us, but to her. She died a true friend of the Jedi, and I believe that she deserves to be laid to rest with respect and care, with all gratitude for the life she gave and the life she has restored to us, and this bitter lesson that came at so dear a price. We are Jedi, and we must, all of us, always, remember what that means.”


    My full review is here.
     
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    Well said y'all! And @LadyMusashi, I definitely agree with you about Obi Wan being the only likable Jedi (well, other than Vos). He seemed to be the only one at least making an attempt to follow his conscience. The PT-era Obi Wan may just be a very close second to Han for my favorite SW character. A lot of that has to do with Ewan's performance, but also the prim-yet-self-effacing character they build in CW. He always had a good gallows-humor barb at the ready. But he's also probably the last "true" Jedi (at least in the ancient sense) for his dedication to doing what's right.

    Even though Yoda was just as guilty of sending Vos down that path as Mace et al, I still came away really liking him. He seemed to at least know what they were doing was wrong, and only came to his more morally questionable decisions after great reluctance and consideration--while the rest of the Council seemed to have a quite un-Jedi taste for revenge and bloodlust. I especially liked the very minor exchange between the Council members, Vos and Yoda where the Council members don't seem to appreciate Vos's light-hearted approach to his work. Yoda shuts them down by smiling and reassures Vos that having a sense of humor is a great gift. It's hard to be hard-line when you can smile and laugh once in a while. I love Yoda the best when he's in Buddhist teacher mode :)
     
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    Yes to Ewan's performance and Obi Wan being the last 'true' or at least dedicated Jedi. Which is why I want those Obi Wan movie rumors to be true. Nineteen years can give us many possible and awesome stories.

    YES.

    "Do or do not. There is no try."
     
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