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Darth Maul

Discussion in 'General Stand-Alone Movie Discussion' started by DarthDwight, Oct 14, 2014.

  1. Rebo

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    I’m not sure the Mob movie fits here though. The appeal of the mob movie is the power fantasy. Godfather, Goodfellas, you are watching an everyday joe just like you get fame, power, riches beyond your wildest dreams. They start off sympathetic and then you see them fall as they make those wrong choices fueled by fear and greed.

    First, if SW is going to go that route, they are going that route with Boba Fett I think as his character is already primed to be in the grey area of morality.

    Maul, isn’t some innocent farm boy who can get corrupted. If you want to take the story post TPM, he is an evil bastard who kills and craves the dark side. Not someone who we can watch making bad choices and feel for him as we picture ourselves making the same tough choices and spiraling towards a doomed fate. There has to be a fall from grace in those movies for them to work. Michael Corleone is a war hero who gets sucked into a life of crime. The only way that sort of arc might work for maul is in a prequel, but as the clone wars has generalized most of that backstory already, that would seem unlikely.
     
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    I super agree with you regarding Godfather 1. That movie is all about the "fall from grace" and would be crazy out of character for Darth Maul.

    Godfather 2, on the other hand, is entirely about Michael being a terrible person. If there is an arc its going from bad to worse, not good to bad. Again, I'm not really trying to say this is the story for Maul, just that audiences can watch and applaud a movie without a hero.
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    True. Godfather 2 is more of the traditional anti-hero movie. But, it’s still a fall from grace as you are continuing Michaels story from part 1. (I mean they even call them parts to make them more like a single, serialized movie) And it still is a power fantasy as you watch young Vito as he creates his empire. I think it’s safe to say that the reason the Young Vito chronicles is such an integral part of that movie, is because they realized they needed that sympathetic figure. 3 hours of Michael at senate hearings and visiting Meyer Lansky…ahem….I mean Hyman Roth…in Cuba would be a bit too much to take for the average movie goer.

    Even with all that though, you are right that godfather 2 doesn’t pose a central likable figure. But star Wars is, and will always be, popcorn cinema…not awards bait. I would love to see a dark, anti-hero star wars standalone movie (preferably not with maul though), but I sincerely doubt it will ever happen. Those movies rarely make the kind of money that is needed to justify the expense of blockbusters. I’ll be happy if I’m wrong and they go artsy with a standalone. But I just don’t see it as likely.
     
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    You, Sir, are correct. While I was writing about "Mob Movies" above I couldn't help but think of Xizor in Shadows of the Empire. I movie just about him would be difficult to make also, you need to bounce back to the heroes to make it bearable. All of your arguments lead me to agree with you. Same goes for everyone arguing it is absurd for him to have survived TPM.

    All my Devil's Advocating here really boils down to me wishing he had not died at the end of TPM. He was a cool Bad Guy. oh well, c'est la vie.
     
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    It's a pity Maul was killed off so early he was a good bad guy,

    Dekka 129 is correct here: how can Maul come back to life after being cut in half and dispatched down a bottomless pit. Sorry, just too much of a reach to bring him back, even with 'mechanical legs.'

    Max Rebo points are pertinent here also: the populous are not aware of much, or any, of the EU, though they still feel a connection with the brand and will judge harshly if some Star Trek producer and Disney perform a cheap cash grab to bring back a cult character; further Maul is not an endearing character or 'redeeming protagonist' or type of guy who just got pissed off one day and decided to glue the horns on, he was born with horns.

    To use a better bad guy then Godfather look perhaps to Tony Montana, or the Devil's advocate temptation: Maul is the type of guy who would certainly hump his own sister.

    See what Rebo is saying? These really are not nice characters, at all...

    Sadly the damage is done and Maul is gone.
     
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    Maul wasn't killed ion Mandalore he was just subdued by the emperor, it's savage who was killed.
     
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    This would be pretty cool he is one of my favourite villains in the prequels
     
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