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Darth Plagueis In The Sequel Trilogy.

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by BB-Rey, Sep 15, 2014.

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Would you like it if Darth Plagueis was the villain of the Sequel Trilogy?

  1. Yeah! He is a very interesting character!

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  2. No thanks, Plagueis is dead.

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  3. Nope! He never actually existed.

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  4. Yes, but he is in the movie as a corpse.

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  5. He will be mentioned in another "throwaway line" only.

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  6. He is Snoke in disguise.

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  7. Yes, his death was a ruse.

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  8. I don't care either way, brah.

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  9. Of course, who else would you choose?

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  1. catfish

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    Darth Plagueis could be the answer for a couple of reasons.

    1) Surviving doesn't mean staying within the same flesh...just because he was a Munn doesn't mean he continues within that form in 7

    2) Remember that the force is a living breathing thing that gives life to all things and takes life. Could it be that the 'ancient evil' that has been mentioned is in fact where Darth Plag. has been residing...manipulating things through the force rather than in physical form?

    3) Perhaps devotion to an 'ancient Jedi religion' aka 'ancient evil' is manifested in a pupil that realizes giving themself to the 'ancient evil' aka literally giving their 'soul' 'self' 'physical body' to EVIL...the Dark Side...thus Driver becomes the embodyment of EVIL moving forward.
     
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    You're right in that the book DID in fact show the scene in which Palpatine killed Plagueis. However, it happened so easily that it seems like it was a plan hatched by Plagueis that Palpatine fell into. It implies that Plagueis had found the secret to immortality and never shared it with Palpatine, thus the Opera story.

    Thank you! I wrote that article. I also happen to agree with you that having Plagueis would tie the whole saga together nicely. I have to disagree that they would introduce us to a whole new Villain when they already have backstory for Plagueis in Episode III that sets him up completely -- Sith, Master, Looked for Immortality, FOUND IT! Nuff said!

    I wrote an article speculating that the Inquisitor could be the villain for Episode VII. It seems plausbile considering that Plagueis could be pulling the strings:

    http://www.starwars7news.com/2014/05/speculation-what-is-max-von-sydows-role.html

    In the realm of Star Wars it had to be this way because of the real story George was telling with the PT that most people don't see. I will say this, Muun is no coincidence:

    Muun = Money = Banking Clan = ???
     
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    i personally think it will be a new villain.. and i think it's possible that we may not even find out who it is in ep 7.

    i'm not against the idea of Plagueis, but i am of the opinion that pretty much everything Sidious said to Anakin was designed to turn him. Anakin wanted a force way of preventing Padme's death.. Sidious had the answer for him. I'd actually be pretty disappointed if it turned out that Sidious was simply being honest lol

    in my head i'm actually thinking of the bad guys from kotor 2... Sion and Darth Nihilus. Nihilus in particular seems to fit this recent speculation of bad ass force user and a Sion type bad guy also kinda fits the cyborg/mutated rumours we have seen as well. I'm not saying these actual characters would be used.. they are just what pops into my deranged mind looking at what we know/think so far.


    Max :)
     
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    Great article. Just watched Revenge of the Sith last night and found more evidence in the commentary. George stated two things that the events after Return of the Jedi would go back to politics and that the opera scene was "mythological" something Star Wars is not. What makes that interesting is ....


    The main theme of the trilogy would be moral and philosophical problems, such as the necessity for moral choices and the wisdom needed to distinguish right from wrong, justice, confrontation, and passing on what you have learned (Lucas in 1983 and 1989).

    Also looking at the opera house scene again when Palpatine says he implies he killed Plagueis and he died, he licks his teeth like he does when he lies.
     
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    I think the whole thing with the tale of Darth Plagueis is that he didn't *quite* know how to cheat death, but that he did know how to create life. So, in a sense, if the Force itself is Anakin's biological father, then Plagueis is the donor, so to speak. Palpatine most likely knew this and sugarcoated the whole "the Dark Side can save lives" thing - and aside from that, it seems to be clear that he wanted Padmé dead eventually so that Anakin would be loyal only to the Empire and nothing else.

    I would imagine that he would have had a backup plan of some kind, though. It seems awfully daft on his part to, say, teach his apprentice absolutely everything he knows in a system that was infamous for having the student betray his master. Will that make Plagueis the big villain of the Sequel Trilogy? Maybe not, but he could have a presence in it as a way to link everything together.
     
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    I have my doubts as to weather or not they will use Darth Plagueis for the sequel. Make no mistake, I would be ecstatic if they do. I'm merely trying to keep from setting myself up for disappointment. Darth Plagueis was the best Star Wars novel I have rread to date. It's certainly the most well written. I found the novel had more complexity and nuance than most Star Wars fare. Luceno's writing style seems to have a quality to it that allows for vivid internal imagery that flows from one scene to the next intuitively. I really love this villain he has crafted(apparently with input from the Maker himself). He has subtly and nuance and would add as much to the ST if include.
     
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    I thought you guys and gals might like this; it's from Wookiepedia:

    An interview from May 2002 has another interesting quote from Lucas where he makes reference to a possible future film: "The challenge for me is telling a six-part story: so in Episode I there are things that I have to get in that refer to Episode VII — no, hang on, we're not there yet. I mean Episode IV."
     
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    I forgot all about that quote. Have it on this story on my computer but, decided to type it all up on my phone so forgot it. Good catch!
     
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    Hi,

    I read your blog from time to time, and would like to respectfully chime in with a few ideas on the matter:

    IMO, it's pretty clear that, from a business perspective, the production team needs to go back and establish a connection to the Prequels - either with this movie, or with one of the next ones. The reason being that, should the prequels not be included in some form, it would lower the value of that part of the franchise. - So, if Episode VII, as I understand from the few bits we've already learned from official sources, is supposed to be a bridge movie that brings all the (newly so defined) canonic timelines together, then it would be logical to connect the characters from the OT to a problem from the PT. And from the PT, there are not really many more open ends, really.

    Plagueis would also be a good choice in terms of a "soft reboot" - even as the EU gets (partially) discarded, using an established character background like that of Plagueis would not force any immediate rewrites of the EU canon. (As, say, the Emperor not dying in RotJ surely would.) Basically, using Plagueis and the Sith mythology helps Disney sell more of "everything", while using another theme for the sequel would make them sell less. (As, say, having Luke disappear directly after RotJ would not help sell the "Legends" novels.)

    Personally, I think that the Plagueis/stand-in we might see for the sequel might be less like the established EU character, and more like a mixture of several other established entities, perhaps with references to both the "Abeloth" storyline and KOTOR; again, simply because this "soft" inclusion of themes is the best way to bring former customers back in, and to gain recurring customers' approval. (To name an example for a good soft reboot, take quite simply the Timothy Zahn novels that essentially invented the formula: At the beginning of "Heir to the Empire", he presents the readers with a situation that they accept as plausible, if nothing else: Luke, now a full-fledged jedi, has a last vision of Ben; then, Han and Leia are your friendly neighborhood baby boomer couple, the republic has been established, and the empire is still around. That makes it much more inviting for readers to accept some of the more liberal changes he makes to the SW universe, like there being other quasi-Jedi around, or the blue-skinned Rommel staring at random pieces of art.)

    - That all said, "if common sense prevails". Mind you, last time audiences expected a "soft" reboot, we got a virgin-born toddler driving a floating racecar. But if more conventional ideas prevail, I am prety convinced, Darth Plagueis it is going to be. :)
     
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    Awesomely put! I have nothing to add save that I wish I could give you more "likes" for it!
     
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    If they do bring Plagueis into 7 I wonder if they will keep him a Muun. I know Lucas is the one that recommended his race but if jj and company want to change it there would probably be little to no resistance.
     
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    I think if Plagueis makes it in the ST...he stays a Munn. That came straight from Lucas.
     
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    This whole Plagueis theory is very interesting, I will have to ponder on that more. P.S Anyone glad to see me back?
     
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    Well if his body was destroyed as per Lucas in the book then he wouldn't be one.

    Assuming the basic story of the book is the real story (and there is no reason to think it isn't) then if it is Plagueis then he needs a new body.

    If it is an Ancient Fear than it can be all sorts of things.

    One rumour is about Ruin:

    The character of Darth Ruin was created by George Lucas as part of the backstory for the prequel trilogy. In Lucas's notes, Ruin is an unnamed Jedi Knight who fell to the dark side with fifty followers 2000 years prior to the film saga, founding the Sith.

    In Lucas' own canon Ruin is the start of the Sith. So I expect that to remain true while the EU material is out.

    Just as for Lucas the Republic is 1000 years old at the time of TPM not 25,000 as per the EU.
     
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    Wow !!!! I hope Darth Plagueis / Ruin doesn't Force Choke me on the way to rule or destroy the Galaxy!(Then again If it happens, It could be worse)(emperor)
     
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    Oh, no, you're back! Stinking imperials. smh

    j/k :) (falcon)
     
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    Yes I'm Back. I have returned from a assignment on the other side of the galaxy(star destroyer)(stormtrooper)
     
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    Well, it's a pity to see it apparently went so well . . . for you. Probably not for the poor, unsuspecting rebels you maliciously gunned down in their beds by the cover of darkness. :mad:
     
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    No! that's not true! I was Inspecting a SECRET AT-AT Factory in... It's Confidential!:p(at-at)
     
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    I'm probably reading too much into it but, I was listening to the audio book for the Darth Plagueis novel. It's striking how similar the voice for Plagueis is to that of Max Von Sydow ... Here are two videos to compare.





    Also I've been listening to the commentary and George made some interesting comments about how there are small things said in almost every episode that will be used in the film or later in the series. Some examples I've picked up on.

    1. The "Other" is Leia. It's important to note in the original script she was not. More on that in a moment.

    2. Jango Fett mentions how he was recruited by a man named Tyranus. At the end Sidious refers to Dooku as Tyranus.

    Among others those are main two. The "Other" was originally suppose to be another Skywalker and her adventures to meeting Luke in the Sequel Trilogy.

    Why do I mention these? Because, in Episode III. The quote of Sidious,

    " To cheat death is the power only one has achieved ... "

    We never get a firm answer of whom this is and from what I have heard George re-wrote the Sequel Trilogy. So elements from the original treatments will be used but, they'll also be completely brand new.
     
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