Darth Plagueis In The Sequel Trilogy.

That is why he never had a heart to make the sequel trilogy.
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The offer he got was hard to beat.
And again, even this ammount was insignificant to the state of heart he had once realysing that guys who got Rights to make new trilogy does not have any clue about main villain problem, in fact its trivialized !.
He crushed, "White slavers ! ". Than his old friend came and told him, dont be sad Geoge, they are just a kids,but they did realised this sink-hole at the end ....

Even his Plageis, a character he mastefully designed to try to control damage in case of sequel trilogy, it still hurts episode VI, but is barable.It preseves Lucas life achievement.

As the genius has left an oppening, there is oppening, the solution. Anakin's virgin birth is the result of Plagueis experiment, but this event in the same time backfired to Plagueis by the will of the Force, as the Skywalker was more than he intended,and such are all in Skywalker bloodline, and they will result in his ultimate demise.

 

Yes, magic exists in Star Wars under the umbrella of the force, but Mother Talzin's magic = too much. Watching Kenobi die and vanish was heartbreaking, seeing force ghosts was interesting and unexpected.... while force lightning seemed like the pinnacle of using the dark side until I heard about the Legend of Darth Plagueis. None of those things compare to Maul getting spinal cybernetics with newly forged metal legs made from green mist and broken droid parts.

 

Plagueis has acheived what nowone achieved. To control- Life.

If we use Yoda's definition of the Force "Life creats IT" indeed Plagueis knowledge has reached to the deepest corners of nature of the Force.



Such was his power he even was able to create life.And he did it, by creating virgin birth of Anakin Skywalker.

Yet the Force has also its own will.

Plagueis has created inbalance in the Force by his power.
If he was created perfect Sith apprentice he inteded to, the balance could be shifted crticaly and irreparably.

The will of the Force however-backfired, and a being of Perfect balance of Light and Dark in itself was born.




Snoke knows traits of Skywalkers ,and wants them(Kylo Ren..)but he also fears them, as they are also the choice of the Force, a power in intself that tends to balance the Force.

 

Uh what? That's quite a claim, there. JJ isn't Pablo's boss, Kathleen Kennedy is. JJ had to make decisions based on what Lucasfilm's story group put forth, not the other way around.

My mindset precisely.

Like I've always said, I don't think Snoke is Plagueis. But I won't be upset if he is. I do think the Plagueis fans are setting themselves up for a possibly huge disappointment.

 

for people who love to read stuff into things, this picture is really interesting. hahaha

 

So true!

...like "third time's a charm"

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/third-time-lucky.html
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/third_time's_a_charm#English

(Although, "in my experience
there's no such thing as luck..." )

JediMasterRobert

 

or : look at the calm Jedi faces, the presentational stance and upright light sabers of Anakin and Luke.

now look at Rey. hahaha

 

People keep saying this, that there's no way to connect the prequel trilogy and the sequel trilogy without Plagueis. I don't understand it, it doesn't make sense, and it's a really lazy argument for Plagueis. Like, the lamest of the arguments, and there are some really lame ones out there.

The Star Wars saga films are about the Skywalkers. The prequels were about Anakin Skywalker's journey to becoming a Jedi and his fall to the Dark Side. The original trilogy was about Luke Skywalker's journey to becoming a Jedi and how he was able to redeem Anakin, his father. The sequels so far have been about the fall of Anakin's grandson and Ben/Kylo's obsession with Darth Vader.

If you can't see the connection here, I don't know what to tell you. Spoiler alert, it's Darth Vader.

I hope this doesn't sound rude or condescending but Plagueis fans are grasping at ghosts, obsessed with the name Plagueis. It's not enough that Snoke embodies that which Plagueis represented in the prequel trilogy, you need the name attached in order to feel a misguided sense of validation that Lucasfilm does not owe you. The EU is gone. The Plagueis novel is gone. The people in charge of Star Wars are smart and knowledgeable people. They're not going to screw this up intentionally. If any of you Plagueis fans end up feeling cheated by their decisions in telling the story of this new generation, it's your own fault. You will have nobody to blame but yourself because you had such specific expectations and you couldn't open your mind to any other possibilities.

Just sayin'.

 

I would really like it to be Plagueis,because by him the third trilogy will be most important trilogy. A New testament of Star Wars if you like it.The all events in the past are put under the true light, and explained in their true Reality, without loosing a word from previous films.

It could be fight for liberation of Galaxy, and the Skywalkers in the same time.

In a way the evil has created its own doom. Plagueis created First Skywalker.Anakin fathered Luke and Leia. Second generation of Skywalkers (Luke and Leia) helped Anakin bring back to the Light side, and Third generation of Skywalkers (Rey and Kylo Ren) with the help of second generation(Like and Lea) and even the Anakin himself(yes Kylo, just you pray to grandpa )they will all finish the job, destroy old sneaky boy who is in the root of all events.
And bring that balance once and for all.

BTW- It could be he likes to comunicate trough a hologram as he is in atmosphere-control room, he needed cyber mask to walk around otherway when he was younger.

 

Many of us belonging to the Pro-Plagueis-2-live-crew, are still waiting for one of the non-believers to propose something that isn't preposterous, woefully-contrived or does not require a New EU purchase to flesh out the story. Plagueis provides continuity and is already established in the movie universe. Snoke being the all-bad, from out of the blue and not Plagueis? Forget lame, that is pure rubbish.

Spoiler alert, Plagueis made all of that possible. His return from death raises the stakes for his son and grand children. It brings the whole thing full circle. Without being Plagueis, I don't care about Snoke.

If Snoke embodies all that Plagueis represented and he ISN'T the same guy, that's called a waste of time. What a creative blunder that would be! Wholly unnecessary to replicate the character who made Anakin and whose legendary story was the impetus for Anakin's willingness to betray the Jedi Order.

Cheated? No. Let down by their collective stupidity? Yes. Always a bit of truth in Legends, eh Disney? Well, the biggest one in the GFFA is sitting right there, waiting for your story group to unite the nine films.

I find the idea that the GFFA needs a new villain who looks and acts like Plagueis, but isn't Plagueis, patently absurd. I'm not setting myself up for disappointment, I'm setting myself up for disconnection.... if Snoke isn't DP, I'm done. Not the story I'm looking for, simple as that. I only care about Plagueis being the big bad and if he isn't, I'm not interested in Snoke, hideaway-Luke, or any of the new stuff. Snoke's ID is the tipping point for me... and as I've said before, its all or nothing.

 

THIS. x 20,000+ Midichlorians

The issue with Snoke is that he must:

• Be an old Sith (To be steeped in Dark Side knowledge; Hasn't emerged prior so must've been part of the Sith plan else he would've shown himself: Also must've existed prior to the Sith we see on screen).

• Have cheated death - he's missing half his head, his badly deformed, is stated to be vulnerable and is very old - he literally looks like the walking dead.

• Can't have impacted upon the balance for it to have been restored in ROTJ. Therefore the only explanation is that he was injured and incapable of mounting an attack vs Sidious or the Jedi leading up to that event.

Now taking these three things alone into account, for them to Snoke some new guy and not JUST MAKE HIM PLAGUEIS, to me is wholly absurd. Plagueis fits into this mould beautifully! Alongside this, if the new big bad is just some new guy that has come out of the blue, it's uninteresting. It creates a break in the series. The main villain is massively important. For the films to go 1-6 with Palpatine and then 7-9 with new boy Snoke seems odd to me. There is an opportunity to make him part of the whole story. For the love of all things sacred, take it Disney!

Then we have the other stuff:

He could've created Anakin.
He could've learned the one thing all Dark Side's crave - immortality (lite)
He trained Sidious.
He was the true mastermind behind bringing the Sith plan to it's conclusion.

Bahhh, if they don't do this then I will see my fears about Disney ruining this new ST as being realised. I'm already pretty pi**** off about being disappointed by Disney. Don't take Plagueis away from me Disney or I might just do a Kylo rage in my kitchen.

 

In fact the thing that we Plagueis proponents should fear the most is not if Snoke happens to be suprisingy well developed new character by the masterminds of Disney out of any ours expectations. We should pray it is not the eventual and unfortunately more likely white slavery of former Lucas intelectual property in a way they will steal main idea and traits of Darth Plagueis, but make him dead, and instead sell to the world a new villain that has same traits but is a new villain.
I could swallow even Mickey Mouse to be Snoke but this..I will break all plastic Light sabers I have at home, ripp apart Star Wars tapestry in my room , and force my best man to change the name of his small daughter (she's named Leia on my advice).

 

This is what I don't understand. What I'm seeing here, and correct me if I'm wrong, you've already decided what you think the writers should do, to the point that you don't trust Lucasfilm to blow you away. You only want what you want as a fanboy and you'll throw a tantrum if you don't get it. And it's all based on fiction that isn't even canon any more. Wow. I thought I was stubborn.

What's so humorous about this is that pro-Plagueis arguments are all built on vague assumptions about who Supreme Leader Snoke is. You all assume he's going to be as important to the story as Palpatine circa Revenge of the Sith and you have nothing factual to back that up, just speculation. I'm willing to bet my right toe that Snoke isn't going to be the major villain in the sequel trilogy. From everything we've seen in TFA he's akin to the Emperor in the sequel trilogy and I'm willing to bet that Kylo will become the new Darth Vader. If we're lucky we might even see Kylo kill Snoke before Episode 8 is even over. TFA is about Kylo trying to be as great as his grandfather, the rest of the trilogy will be him trying to transcend Darth Vader and become the most powerful Dark Jedi who has ever lived. If I'm wrong, well, you can have more than one toe. With nail polish.

Like I said before, Star Wars is about the Skywalkers, not the legend of a Sith lord who could presumably cheat death but ended up being killed by his apprentice, just like every other Sith Lord ever. The Sith died when the Emperor died. Star Wars is a story about Jedi who falls to the Dark Side, yet is redeemed by a selfless act, thus bringing balance to the Force. The balance has been thrown out of whack, again, and the Skywalkers need to yet redeem their own, again. If you want a Darth Plagueis story, go read the novel, which isn't even canon any more, or write some fan fiction.

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Nope. He doesn't have to be any of that. All Snoke has to be is an old Dark-Sider who guides Ben Solo/Kylo Ren down the path of the Dark Side. There doesn't need to be any more of an explanation for who he is. We didn't know Emperor's full back story before the prequel trilogy and nobody threw silly fits. You need him to be Plagueis, not Lucasfilm or Rian Johnson or the GFFA. Or me.

Like I have said, I'm not anti-Plagueis at all. If DP is the way they tie Snoke to the rest of the saga, it's an acceptable solution to me. I only need him to be a way for the story to be told well. Frankly, I think the best outcome is to leave his identity unconfirmed. Lucasfilm has an opportunity to give fans someone to speculate about and I love how coy Pablo Hidalgo has been. Is he Dark Plagueis? Is he the source of the legend of Darth Plagueis? Was he Darth Plagueis' old master or mentor? We just don't know!

 

LOL...



...spatulas and spoons flying everywhere...

Unhappy Fan: Anything else?

Writer: The screenplay was followed by a re-write.

[Force pull... ]

Unhappy Fan: What re-write?!


JediMasterRobert

 

If Snoke isnt' Plagueis we will have bad and good thing.

1.Bad thing : Dissent and great Schism , resulting in lost of 40-60% of old star wars fans.

2. Good thing: Jar-Jar binx finally removed from the throne as most hated SW character.(still, it does not compensate for 1).

 

Trust them? No. Fanboy? Yes. Who said anything about throwing a tantrum? Now, I might troll a few msg boards on the way out, but no. No tantrums over bad writing.

TFA went out its own way to present Snoke in the same fashion as Palpatine and he lorded over an even BIGGER Death Star. Ask for water-based paint, its less toxic.

Some of us embrace a larger view of the saga.
More to the GFFA than the Skywalkers... like who created them.

Snoke as a no name dark sider who imbalances the force just isn't Star Wars. If there are Jedi, there are Sith and the Skywalkers are central to the modern conflict between them, all because of Darth Plagueis. I prefer to see the Skywalkers put an end to what's been Plaguing the galaxy since Sidious obviously didn't do it.

Plagueis made the Skywalker(s) and only a Skywalker can end him once and for all.
Poetic Justice, or something.

 

I wish I could rate this funny, great and wise.

 

It wasn't magic......it was.....uh......tiny green nano machines

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1. More like 1%
2. Ridiculous

 

What a mess...

 

THE EMPEROR WAS A NO NAME DARK SIDER! For years! Until the prequel trilogy. So if the OT isn't Star Wars then I don't know what they laced your crack with.

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What's to disagree with? Did you know the emperors name and backstory before the PT? Did you know what a Sith was? Nope. Didn't think so