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Darth Plagueis In The Sequel Trilogy.

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by BB-Rey, Sep 15, 2014.

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Would you like it if Darth Plagueis was the villain of the Sequel Trilogy?

  1. Yeah! He is a very interesting character!

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  2. No thanks, Plagueis is dead.

    189 vote(s)
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  3. Nope! He never actually existed.

    29 vote(s)
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  4. Yes, but he is in the movie as a corpse.

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  5. He will be mentioned in another "throwaway line" only.

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  6. He is Snoke in disguise.

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  7. Yes, his death was a ruse.

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  8. I don't care either way, brah.

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  9. Of course, who else would you choose?

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    Its an interesting theory... not sure it is supported by anything, but... we do see certain physiological changes to dark side users, such as the red eyes, etc...
     
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    Interesting theory. It would make sense and that could be a possible reason of how Plagueis dies if he's the main villain in the Sequels. This could be research Luke discovers while going to find Plagueis and discovers there are ways to destroy Plagueis and he's not immortal as the jedi think he is.
     
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    I do not recall anyone thinking Plagueis was immortal... just because he knows how to prevent death doesn't mean he knows how to overcome it...

    Plagueis learned how to extend life... to prevent death... but nothing anywhere states that he could prevent himself from being killed, which he was...

    There are other examples, not sure which of them are canon now and which are not... but in all cases I have seen in the Star Wars universe, canon and non-canon, even those who were immortal in that they would not die of natural causes were capable of being killed...
     
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    Let's look at the elves in The Lord of the Rings. They were "immortal" but could be killed by the sword or the arrow.
     
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    I totally agree... but we are looking at Star Wars ;)

    The quotes, when you actually look at what Palpatine says, never mention that Plagueis could extend his own life. What he said was that Plagueis could prevent those he loved from dying, but sadly could not do the same for himself

    Abeloth and her family were also "immortal", but could be killed... there was a Jedi that Kenobi thought would have lived forever if she had not sacrificed herself...

    There is a difference between "immortal" and "long-lived"
     
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    Sadly the source that gave me the inspiration for that theory (KOTOR II) is no longer canon. I still like it though. It could maybe help explain why Palpatine went all wrinkly from force lightning when others didn't.
     
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    Another possible explanation could be that he lived, while everyone else hit by the lighting died... (except Luke, and Palpatine wasn't done with him yet...)

    Yet another would be that he was, himself, dark side, being hit with dark side lightning... which none of the others (save Vader) were... and another would be that he was being hit by his own lightning...
     
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    Luke and Anakin were both hit and lived.

    I favor the because it was his own lightening theory, but the force corruption thing is just too interesting to me to put aside
     
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    <quietly points to bolded sections of the original post>

    Vader died after being hit... if you remember... on the ramp of the shuttle... that whole "take my mask off" thing...

    And I would contend that Palpatine wasn't trying to kill Luke... not yet, at any rate... torture him, maybe still convert him... it had probably been a while since he had actually "stretched his muscles" so to speak, he was probably playing a bit, not thinking he was ever in any danger...
     
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    Sorry I must've missed it first time around
     
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    It's all good... and you do bring up an excellent point... Luke really is the only person to have ever been hit by lighting to have lived, that we know of... and we don't know what effect that will have on him. Might cause him to go nuts and wander into the wilderness... might make him thing, "oh wow, those Sith guys have some interesting abilities, I wonder if I can find a way to do those and still be goo.... oops..."
     
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    Anakin didn't die due to getting hit by Dooku's lightning in Attack of the Clones. And neither did Yoda with Palpatine's lightning in Revenge of the Sith.
     
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    Not saying he is "immortal" so to speak. Just giving an idea of what the jedi could assume if he in fact is the threat in Episode VII and the sequels.

    Vader died because, force lighting got caught up in his breathing system. That's at least what I heard once.

    MOD (TomVoxx): Do not double post, go back and edit when you have more to say.
     
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    Accident. :)
     
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    And what was this? Lol Please please please the edit button.
     
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    This video explains it all. lol

    Yes I will make sure to edit my comments for now on. Just felt appropriate not to one last time with this video attached.
     
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    It's fine since someone (me) posted after you. I enjoy your posts bud, just be careful! We have to enforce the rules or some people will abuse them, not you necessarily, just in general.

    By the way, I literally laughed out loud at that video.
     
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    Darth Plagueis was first referenced on-screen in the 2005 movie Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, the third installment in the prequel trilogy of Star Wars. However, the actual first mention of Plagueis was in the novelization of Revenge of the Sith, which was released one month before the movie. Although Palpatine was never confirmed to be Plagueis' apprentice in the movie itself, a link to the official encyclopedia on StarWars.com did refer to Sidious as having been "trained by Darth Plagueis."

    The character was created by George Lucas as early as the first draft of Revenge of the Sith—dated April 2003—and possibly earlier than that. His story was massively expanded upon in the 2012 novel Darth Plagueis, written by James Lucino. However, that story is part of the Star Wars legends continuity, formerly known as the "Expanded Universe," and is therefore not official canon.


    @Echo-07 .. This makes me think it's not just a throwaway. It should be noted as well in the book The Making of Revenge of the Sith, it mentions in the early stages of the script that Palpatine was to reveal to Anakin that he and Plagueis created him. Makes me wonder were they saving it for the Sequel Trilogy? Why else would George not let the Clone Wars team use Plagueis in an episode of the Clone Wars?

    It also sort of sheds light that he's not just an EU character.

    I also just was reading and it's a valid point, what if Sifo-Dyas just got killed for the jedi to think he created the Clones and the real reason for the creation of the army was Darth Plagueis? Yes it appears quite clear that Dooku created the army but, what if that was the request of Plagueis? There has to be more to that.

    It gives behind the curtain to a whole new meaning.

    I just found this on the Star Wars Wikipedia.

    More and more often, the Jedi were called upon to act as negotiators. But as crises piled upon each other, some within the Order began to sense a coming darkness, which their numbers alone would not be sufficient to fight. The creation of a clone army was secretly ordered by Jedi Master Sifo Dyas without the knowledge or approval of his comrades, in response to the growing shadow in the Force. Sifo-Dyas had been manipulated into placing the order by Sith Lord Darth Plagueis, in his guise as Hego Damask, who used his own wealth and that of the Banking Clan to fund the army. Plagueis believed the Kaminoans would only accept the order if it came from a Jedi due to the Kaminoans' interest in them.

    @TomVoxx .. Excellent. I have another video you may like. Haha
     
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    This was the great example of why forcing everyone to incorporate multiple topic posts and clear one-off replies into one post is not helping organization here. You guys need to let some of that ride for clarity's sake. I had some mod combine two of my posts on another thread and it resulted in me replying to someone BEFORE they actually said anything!!!!!

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    Curiously, and this having much to do with me taking time to read a Star Wars novel that wasn’t a novelization of either the films or The Force Unleashed games, LucasBooks has for the first time in 20 years of publishing actually included the following tagline in the lining pages of the Advance Reader Copies: “This book is canon!” Granted, all Star Wars novels exist within a level of canoncity to the overarching saga all their own: “C-canon”, or continuity canon, is the designation given to the nearly two hundred novels that’ve been spawned since George Lucas’ expansive space opera first made pop-culture history 35 years ago. But as Lucas had a direct hand in the shaping of this novel, as handed-down to author James Luceno via Lucas’ long-running right-hand man Howard Roffman, this novel could conceptually supersede “C-canon”, to be included at “G-canon” (or "T-canon" - television) level, for material in which Lucas has had direct input (the films, The Clone Wars series, The Force Unleashed games).

    Well this confirms it. The book was considered canon before George sold the rights to Disney.
     
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