Darth Plagueis In The Sequel Trilogy.

This recent Plagueis talk has got me all:



So why did George Lucas like the idea of Plagueis being a Muun? In my opinion, most probably because, out of all species that exist in Star Wars, Muuns are most reminiscent of the Grim Reaper i.e. the personification of Death. Plagueis was a tall, slender, pale, skeleton-like, hooded, dark robed figure, whose appearance and abilities with the force were very much associated with the Grim Reaper.



The classic Grim Reaper originated some time in the medieval era, from what was known as the Black Death or the Black Plague.

"Although life and death are the inseparable and inevitable part of this world's existence, it was not always that death was personified as a scythe-bearer who wears a hooded cloak and carries souls to the afterlife. If we browse through the medieval history and the events that took place in it, it can be concluded that a lot about the figure of death as a skeleton can be linked with the massive deaths that occurred between the late fourteenth to early fifteenth century―infamously known as The Black Death. The plague came in various forms in different cities, wiping out a significant percent of the population. Because of the plague being highly contagious, priests refused to perform last rites, resulting in unburied death bodies. Considering the frightening environment, where everyone feared being affected with this pandemic, it was only natural for people to view death as a skeletal figure, as the amount of corpses in the vicinity were overwhelming."

Read more at Buzzle: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/grim-reaper-origin-and-history.html​

I think George wanted Plagueis to respresent death personified, and that meant Luceno had to base Plagueis' whole backstory around this. But Lucas could've decided against the Muun species idea and the banking clan background etc, but still kept the same core Grim Reaper idea of a tall, slender, pale, skeleton-like, black cloaked alien for Plagueis.

And for Snoke, well, he takes the personification of death to a whole other level! I must say I'm feeling the same Grim Reaper vibe with him.

On a different topic, here's a few things focusing on Snoke's musical theme:

• Check out this reddit post - Snoke/Plagueis Music is Closer Than You Think. The author makes piano comparisons on similar motifs shared between Plagueis and Snoke:

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• Has anyone watched/listened to the tradegy of Plagueis combined with Snoke's theme?

It's chilling stuff! Especially beginning at the 1:14 min mark (video link below), when Palpatine's utters the words, "He became so powerful. The only thing he was afraid of was... losing his power, which eventually of course he did". Comparing this 'Snoke version' against the original, there is a sudden shift in tone when Palpatine pauses for a brief moment on this line, but the tones are very different. For the Snoke version, the male choir re-emerges ominously back into the scene for a second time just as Palpatine begins to recount Plagueis' murder (the male choir doesn't re-emerge in the original version). From there onward, the 'Snoke version' sounds much more eerie and foreboding than the original.

See if you notice it yourself.

 

We don't know, but evidence suggests it was someone new

 

My give up! My give up!

 

James Luceno on the future of Darth Plagueis (47:00)

 

Re Plagueis being Canon: "It's an ongoing discussion". I think that's a very diplomatic way of getting around the george issue.

I'm tell ya, with all this new info from Pablo regarding george not liking the backstory, Plagueis is ripe for a standalone.

 

There's something going on there. Whether that be because of the interest that they have seen Plagueis generate since the Snoke discussion came up, I don't know. But I think Plagueis will be brought into the new canon era in some way. And there has to be something in Lucas not thinking the backstory of that novel worked. I'd be fascinated to know which part and whether it was about Plagueis or Palpatine.

So anyway, I think essentially that is a big fat #PlagueisConfirmed...

 

Watch Luceno GULP when asked about Plagueis - 47:43!!!! He's hiding something!!! And Pablo confirmed he's a liar on twitter!

Plagueis is Snoke.

It's over!!!

 

How would Disney approach making a Plagueis standalone movie?

• What type of actor would they hire for Plagueis? Would his voice and accent sound like it does in the Darth Plagueis audio-book?
• What would Plagueis' musical theme sound like?
  
• What would his motives be?
• Would Plagueis be connected to the origins of Anakin/Vader?

Let's assume Disney don't change a lot of his backstory, where's the originality when the villain just before the Emperor turns out to be basically the same as the villain just after the Emperor?

 

Brining DP back provides continuity of the Sith. The Sith are worth Billions. Stupid of Disney to not at some point create the continuity flow across time in the Skywalker saga. That gives stories depth and foundation. Nothing wrong with new SW Stories that have Zilch to do with all the characters in current movies but it is a mistake to disregard the past when it has made BILLIONS of dollars. Dumb moves.

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Pablo is just buthurt he did not think of it and the Fan base did. He can't take credit for it if it was inspired by others including the book about DP.

 

In my opinion, I think a great way to bring Plaguies to the big screen would to do a standalone about Palpatine and his early years. While Plaguies has a fan base in hardcore EU readers, the money would be made having a backstory about Palpatine whose character expanding across several movies.

 

There is a lot of assumption here. You have no idea what Lucasfilm's future plans are for the story. None of us do. Hard to call something dumb when we don't know what it is in the first place.

And Pablo's not a writer. I'm sure he's feeling just fine about Plagueis.

 

The problem with bringing back the sith is that the entire sith were completely destroyed by the end of ROTJ so it wouldnt make sense to bring them back in the classic sense suddenly
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"Darth Plagueis WAS a dark lord of the Sith..."

 

Ok this is my current stance on the whole Plagueis/Snoke saga!


Snoke was created by Plagueis. Sidious killed Plagueis. Sidious kept Snoke alive to learn more about his former Masters knowledge. Snoke is essentially Plagueis' son. SW is all about Father's and Sons. And IF Plagueis DID create Anakin then Snoke and Anakin are brothers. What does Ahch-to mean? 'Brothers'

Boom.

 

he thing about ach-to is that luke is supposedly there to find the very first jedi temple. you're right in the sense that it's about father and sons but having it ALL related that closely would be a bit much in my opinion. the cloesest that theory could get to is that snoke was once a good guy who fell to the dark side. however, once the chosen one thing is done, then it doesnt make sense to have yet another skywalker turn bad. for that argument, YEAH: Ben turned evil but he's a skywalker by blood only, not a anakin to luke to whomever. the first part of your theory is very interesting but the skywalkers then shouldnt have anything to do with it DIRECTLY. but my other question is this: if snoke was like that then what was sidious's need for any other apprentices?

 

It might also go along with the twin motif. Anakin is Snoke's twin "brother" (but light side instead of dark).

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A direct parallel to Anakin, who was created by the Force in response to Snoke's creation and the imbalance caused by the Sith. Like light and dark twins.

I'm sold!

 

My optimistic appraisal of the situation is somebody; who shall remain nameless like Darth(less) Maul's saber,

has been messing with us the whole time.
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Can someone share this with Pablo? He needs to know that we see through his lies.

PLAGUEIS CONFIRMED

 

IIRC, @master_shaitan has Pabs on speed dial tweet.

 

Pablo has already been caught out once today. 2 days ago he stated on twitter that Lucas wanted a Han Solo stand alone film made. Kathleen Kennedy has today been quoted as saying that Lucas didn't put this idea forward.

Pablo has been "unavailable" so far to comment on this!