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Darth Plagueis In The Sequel Trilogy.

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by BB-Rey, Sep 15, 2014.

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Would you like it if Darth Plagueis was the villain of the Sequel Trilogy?

  1. Yeah! He is a very interesting character!

    352 vote(s)
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  2. No thanks, Plagueis is dead.

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  3. Nope! He never actually existed.

    29 vote(s)
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  4. Yes, but he is in the movie as a corpse.

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  5. He will be mentioned in another "throwaway line" only.

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  6. He is Snoke in disguise.

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  7. Yes, his death was a ruse.

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  8. I don't care either way, brah.

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  9. Of course, who else would you choose?

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    Sorry, @master_shaitan, but I'm not feeling the Plagueis vibes from that quote. As @MaximoFilms alluded to, the Jedi didn't even know Plagueis existed so how could they've known about the origins of the Skywalkers?

    Ok, this I agree with very strongly. Plagueis can connect to the Skywalkers at such a personal level that I doubt any new character would match. He would've forced Luke and Ben to ask some very serious and difficult questions about themselves and their true life purpose.

    From reading the entire thread where you got that quote about Luke from (and if it's legit), it does seem a major theme of the Sequel trilogy is exploring deeper the legacy of Vader through Kylo. It also seems to me that Kylo's major reason for joining Snoke was to emulate and uphold the legacy of his grandfather under guidance from Snoke's wise teachings. We both know Plagueis would've fitted very well into that role, but, if Snoke is not connected to Vader in someway, I see less of a reason for why Snoke would view Vader in such high regard (yes, he does lament Vader's one foolish error, but otherwise Snoke is very complimentary about him). I would go as far as to say that Snoke is the one who really pushed hard Kylo's Vader agenda because he knew Kylo wouldn't have fully committed himself to him otherwise.

    The question I'm basically trying to ask myself is why does Snoke allow Kylo to idolise and obsess about Vader so much if Snoke's got nothing to do with the Sith or if he doesn't share a meaningful connection with Vader?

    The biggest bond Snoke and Kylo have in common is their desire to complete Vader's legacy by destroying the Jedi. Nearly all major characters from the OT or PT met Anakin/Vader at some point in his life so, giving just how strong Kylo's Vader obsession really is under Snoke's tutelage, I would be disappointed if there wasn't a greater connection between Snoke and Vader.
     
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    While I labeled this thread "speculation", today I present the case that indeed Snoke is Darth Plagueis based upon evidence. It is for you to decide ultimately, but for me, I have indeed decided that Snoke is indeed, Darth Plagueis.

    How did I come to this conclusion? I will present my evidence.

    First piece of speculative evidence:

    During ComicCon before the Force Awakens was released, a fan asked a specific question about Plagueis.

    In the clip, after the question is abruptly asked, there is a brief pause. As if JJ and Lawrence Kasdan are deciding how to answer.

    First, we need to note psychological evidence here.

    First you hear Daisy Ridley speak, to which she says "Aaaaah is that Sn-" to which JJ immediately clears his throat abruptly stopping Daisy from proceeding further, and turns it over to Kasdan. Speculatively I believe Daisy was going to say "Aaaaah is that Snoke.", in innocent fashion.

    JJ could have simply answered this question with a simple "no". However he did not do that, he diverted the question to Kasdan, as if not wanting to answer the question.

    Next note Kasda's response to the question. He deflected the question by pretending to not understand who he was asking about. Also making it apparent he did not want to answer the question.

    But why not simply answer no if Snoke is NOT Plagueis?

    Because they both know Snoke IS Plagueis.

    Also note after JJ Abrams gets the question again, this time he becomes dismissive. He obviously does not want to spoil the Sequel trilogy with the huge question, therefor immediately and abruptly says "No" and moves on.

    Damning evidence that Plagueis is Snoke. You can see from the clip below the evidence.



    Third, but speculative evidence, the motives of Disney as a whole:

    It is in my opinion, that Disney intends, as many others contend, to desire to tie Episodes 1-6 to the sequel naturally. To do so, making a character out or thin air, a new villan, makes no sense. The object of another villan was setup and readied in Revenge of the Sith. It becomes a case of "pick up the ball and throw it" (also sticking with something familiar, ready to use) or "make an entirely new ball and throw it".

    I base this speculative evidence, upon popular opinion of Disney's motives.

    Onto the counter arguements:

    • Physical differences of Snoke to a Munn:

    - A valid arguement. However, given we know very little about Plagueis and his complete abilities, it is too soon to say just because he does not appear Muun, this is not Plagueis. Going into speculation, he could have been biologically reconfigured at some point, or used the force to switch carriers, and Palpatine ASSUMED he killed the actual Plagueis.

    Because the possibilities as so vast, we can safely assume just because Snoke is not appearingly Muun this does not rule out the fact that, this is not Plageuis.

    • Pablo Hidalgo completely debunking this idea:

    - I disagree. Misinformation is a vital component to keeping secured information for sakes of revenue, nostalgia, and general secret keeping. It is my professional opinion, his statement is absolutely false.

    *****

    There you have it. You have why I believe Snoke to be, Darth Plagueis. My mind is made up, and hoping based upon the evidence I presented, while speculative, is compelling enough for you to draw the same conclusion.

    I have thought long and hard on this, and if you have any other evidence to support the Darth Plagueis theory, please feel free to reply.

    "May the Force be with you"
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    I also add this into evidence:

     
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    You can look at every post that I have ever posted. Anything regarding Snoke, I thought he was Plagueis. Honestly, your points about the muun features I disagree with. I think that the deforming of himself that badly was almost like a mutation. He now has a different type of head. He very well may be another species or whatever but I still think he is Snoke. Now to all the people that think he isn't because Lucasfilm said so, I don't know why you haven't learned. Lucasfilm has purposely mislead people before to hide plot spoilers. His theme, deformations, and Kylo saying "No, the Supreme Leader is Wise." I mean, come on, there're only so many times they can "accidentally" hint at Snoke being Plagueis.
     
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    FYI, this might be more appropriate in the "Darth Plagueis in the Sequel Trilogy" thread.

    But yes, the evidence is way too coincidental for me to believe that Disney hasn't at least considered the idea. And if Snoke is not Plagueis, he seems heavily based on Plagueis. It would be a satisfying way of tying up the saga, too.
     
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    I agree, however I bet my house that he is him. I was bought when I heard the comparisons of their themes.
     
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    What If?

    Alright everyone, get in those pod racers because we are going to speculate, not if Snoke is Plagueis, but that he is Plagueis. How would that affect the plot, storyline, characters, and future of SW? Many like myself, are still convinced that Snoke is Plagueis. But that is not for this thread. Do not say he isn't or who you think he is because we have no idea who he is. That's why I put a poll up. Do not post your opinion on who you think he is. This is just for thoughts and speculating. So yes, how would things like Rey and Kylo be affected by Supreme Leader Plagueis? Let everyone know what those thoughts in your helmet are!

    Have Fun!
     
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    Part of me wants to believe that Plagueis was the one that created Anakin.
     
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    Well, your actually reinforcing my point. I never said that was it, merely conjecture. Anything could have essentially happened and I was just providing a few examples.

    Why I said "Because the possibilities as so vast, we can safely assume just because Snoke is not appearingly Muun this does not rule out the fact that, this is not Plageuis."

    So yes ,I completely agree it could be mutation. Or he biologically reconfigured himself. We don't know. The point I was making was just because he doesn't look Munn does not mean he is not Plagueis.

    So absolutely, you and me are on the same page.
     
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    Something dark in me wants this to become a 500 page thread.
     
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    I totally agree.

    *merged*
     
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    *Merging this with the existing Plagueis thread*
     
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    ?huh

    Then Snoke is already dead?
     
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    I was a butthead.
     
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    I dont even care if they put him into the new trilogy, just please, make Luceno's novel canon again.
     
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    I sometimes forget how perfect this theory is.

    -Plagueis creates Anakin as his ultimate Dark Side weapon and plans to destroy Sidious.
    -Sidious finds out about Anakin during the events of TPM and kills Plagueis.
    -Plagueis had in fact learned how to cheat death for himself and escaped into the UNKNOWN REGIONS to live off the source of the Dark Side (a powerful well of dark energy that was corrupted by ancient Sith).
    -From afar Plagueis watches as the Sith plan comes to fruition and Sidious takes over the galaxy. He plots his own revenge and slowly heals in the UR.
    -Anakin destroys Sidious but the bringing of balance means that Plagueis' power is diminished. He is vulnerable. He needs to act quickly if he is to survive.
    -He discovers that Leia is pregnant with child and plans how he can use the child to empower himself and destroy the Jedi forever.
    -He draws the remnant of the Empire to him in the UR and calls himself Snoke. He takes over and establishes the FO.
    -He begins his manipulation of Ben, using his deep connection to his family as well as supreme dark side power to draw him to the Dark Side.

    The Skywalker family has been cursed since its creation. Until their creator is destroyed and perhaps even the Skywalker's themselves, the galaxy will always be under threat by this dark side creation.

    No one else can possibly fit into the story as well as Plagueis. His backstory is set up. His direct involvement to the legacy of Darth Vader is set up. His injuries make sense. His knowledge and desire to turn Ben makes sense. And at the same time, the creators of the trilogy have a blank slate to create whatever type of character they want him to be from his species to his personality. If Snoke just turns out to be some ancient being from the UR, it will be the biggest missed opportunity in the history of the GFFA!!
     
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    I want it to be Plagueis. That said, I think it's going to be tricky for them to explain why he took such an interest in Ben, but totally ignored Luke and Leia. I suppose they could say that OBW protected Luke somehow, but Leia? I guess they'll just say that the regeneration process took 40 years.

    I suspect that TFA was set up to leave open the option of Snoke being Plagueis without committing.
     
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    I am now so confident in this assertion I would be willing to call this post a SPOILER:

    While I labeled this thread "speculation", today I present the case that indeed Snoke is Darth Plagueis based upon evidence. It is for you to decide ultimately, but for me, I have indeed decided that Snoke is indeed, Darth Plagueis.

    How did I come to this conclusion? I will present my evidence.

    First piece of speculative evidence:

    During ComicCon before the Force Awakens was released, a fan asked a specific question about Plagueis.

    In the clip, after the question is abruptly asked, there is a brief pause. As if JJ and Lawrence Kasdan are deciding how to answer.

    First, we need to note psychological evidence here.

    First you hear Daisy Ridley speak, to which she says "Aaaaah is that Sn-" to which JJ immediately clears his throat abruptly stopping Daisy from proceeding further, and turns it over to Kasdan. Speculatively I believe Daisy was going to say "Aaaaah is that Snoke.", in innocent fashion.

    JJ could have simply answered this question with a simple "no". However he did not do that, he diverted the question to Kasdan, as if not wanting to answer the question.

    Next note Kasda's response to the question. He deflected the question by pretending to not understand who he was asking about. Also making it apparent he did not want to answer the question.

    But why not simply answer no if Snoke is NOT Plagueis?

    Because they both know Snoke IS Plagueis.

    Also note after JJ Abrams gets the question again, this time he becomes dismissive. He obviously does not want to spoil the Sequel trilogy with the huge question, therefor immediately and abruptly says "No" and moves on.

    Damning evidence that Plagueis is Snoke. You can see from the clip below the evidence.



    More speculative evidence, the motives of Disney as a whole:

    It is in my opinion, that Disney intends, as many others contend, to desire to tie Episodes 1-6 to the sequel naturally. To do so, making a character out or thin air, a new villan, makes no sense. The object of another villan was setup and readied in Revenge of the Sith. It becomes a case of "pick up the ball and throw it" (also sticking with something familiar, ready to use) or "make an entirely new ball and throw it".

    I base this speculative evidence, upon popular opinion of Disney's motives.

    Onto the counter arguements:

    • Physical differences of Snoke to a Munn:

    - A valid arguement. However, given we know very little about Plagueis and his complete abilities, it is too soon to say just because he does not appear Muun, this is not Plagueis. Going into speculation, he could have been biologically reconfigured at some point, or used the force to switch carriers, and Palpatine ASSUMED he killed the actual Plagueis.

    Because the possibilities as so vast, we can safely assume just because Snoke is not appearingly Muun this does not rule out the fact that, this is not Plageuis.

    • Pablo Hidalgo completely debunking this idea:

    - I disagree. Misinformation is a vital component to keeping secured information for sakes of revenue, nostalgia, and general secret keeping. It is my professional opinion, his statement is absolutely false.

    *****

    There you have it. You have why I believe Snoke to be, Darth Plagueis. My mind is made up, and hoping based upon the evidence I presented, while speculative, is compelling enough for you to draw the same conclusion.

    I have thought long and hard on this, and if you have any other evidence to support the Darth Plagueis theory, please feel free to reply.

    "May the Force be with you"
    --- Double Post Merged, Apr 3, 2017, Original Post Date: Apr 3, 2017 ---
    I also add this into evidence:

     
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    Snoke IS Plagueis.

    The dream is true.
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    I also cite the music as a final piece of evidence. Too similar, not a coincidence that the music from Ep 3 lines up with the Snoke scenes.

    Indeed, ladies and gentlemen, I present not Snoke, but Darth Plagueis.

    We have been delivered gold in the Sequel trilogy.
     
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    I doubt that John Williams knows who Snoke is.
     
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    Eh, I wouldn't be so sure. I don't even necessarily think Snoke is Plagueis, but the musical similarity there is way too close. He might have been told to deliberately channel the Ep. III music.
     
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