1. Due to the increased amount of spam bots on the forum, we are strengthening our defenses. You may experience a CAPTCHA challenge from time to time.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Notification emails are working properly again. Please check your email spam folder and if you see any emails from the Cantina there, make sure to mark them as "Not Spam". This will help a lot to whitelist the emails and to stop them going to spam.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. IMPORTANT! To be able to create new threads and rate posts, you need to have at least 30 posts in The Cantina.
    Dismiss Notice
  4. Before posting a new thread, check the list with similar threads that will appear when you start typing the thread's title.
    Dismiss Notice

Darth Plagueis In The Sequel Trilogy.

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by BB-Rey, Sep 15, 2014.

?

Would you like it if Darth Plagueis was the villain of the Sequel Trilogy?

  1. Yeah! He is a very interesting character!

    352 vote(s)
    42.6%
  2. No thanks, Plagueis is dead.

    189 vote(s)
    22.9%
  3. Nope! He never actually existed.

    29 vote(s)
    3.5%
  4. Yes, but he is in the movie as a corpse.

    20 vote(s)
    2.4%
  5. He will be mentioned in another "throwaway line" only.

    28 vote(s)
    3.4%
  6. He is Snoke in disguise.

    12 vote(s)
    1.5%
  7. Yes, his death was a ruse.

    92 vote(s)
    11.1%
  8. I don't care either way, brah.

    74 vote(s)
    9.0%
  9. Of course, who else would you choose?

    30 vote(s)
    3.6%
  1. SkyloBen10

    SkyloBen10 Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2017
    Posts:
    162
    Likes Received:
    213
    Trophy Points:
    707
    Credits:
    704
    Ratings:
    +386 / 2 / -1

    THIS

    Exactly why I changed my stance from him talking to Rey in the trailer.

    I believe Snoke is talking to kylo ren, and that scene will be a continuation of this scenario, as in the force awakens a lot of the dialogue from the conversation above didn't actually make it into the final cut.

    The line WHEN I FOUND YOU, I SAW RAW UNTAMED POWER... AND BEYOND THAT SOMETHING TRULY SPECIAL might not be from the same sentence, but as @Fuzzball stated, it sounds like he's massaging his ego again during a pep talk.

    Almost like a halftime team talk (DO NOT FAIL ME AGAIN SORT OF VIBE)
     
    • Like Like x 3
    • Hopeful Hopeful x 1
  2. ITG

    ITG Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2015
    Posts:
    1,268
    Likes Received:
    2,152
    Trophy Points:
    10,977
    Credits:
    3,035
    Ratings:
    +4,578 / 336 / -108
    Kylo’s training will be complete when he witnesses Snoke kill Hux at the start of TLJ, and start regenerating right before his very eyes.

    The power to cheat death.

    Plagueis confirmed.


    E0409ACF-2A02-4E2D-B18B-85A35D9FBDD1.jpeg
     
    • Like Like x 3
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
    • Hopeful Hopeful x 1
  3. JarJar

    JarJar Guest

    Credits:
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0
    Don't see a difference between the pictures.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Wise Wise x 1
  4. Fuzzball

    Fuzzball Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2015
    Posts:
    399
    Likes Received:
    2,191
    Trophy Points:
    11,492
    Credits:
    2,906
    Ratings:
    +3,157 / 5 / -1
    Me neither. I don't see any signs of regeneration.

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Wise Wise x 1
  5. Fearghas_Ajax

    Fearghas_Ajax Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2015
    Posts:
    1,427
    Likes Received:
    2,644
    Trophy Points:
    10,967
    Credits:
    4,118
    Ratings:
    +4,146 / 27 / -18
    I concur. I think the biggest difference is that one is shades of a blue hologram and the other is color. The darker shadows on the blue hologram cast a different view on the scars and injuries, makes them more pronounced than the lighted image. But either way. they are the same
     
    • Like Like x 5
    • Wise Wise x 1
  6. ChewiesDog

    ChewiesDog Clone Commander

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2015
    Posts:
    67
    Likes Received:
    121
    Trophy Points:
    312
    Credits:
    956
    Ratings:
    +238 / 6 / -2
    • Hopeful Hopeful x 3
    • Like Like x 1
  7. Pomojema

    Pomojema Ayatollah Of Rock-&-Rolla
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2014
    Posts:
    10,177
    Likes Received:
    42,740
    Trophy Points:
    171,329
    Credits:
    44,734
    Ratings:
    +53,035 / 127 / -63
    • Wise Wise x 1
    • Hopeful Hopeful x 1
  8. ITG

    ITG Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2015
    Posts:
    1,268
    Likes Received:
    2,152
    Trophy Points:
    10,977
    Credits:
    3,035
    Ratings:
    +4,578 / 336 / -108
    You think they should mention Plagueis - the master of the Emperor, who could cheat death (and if he could save himself would look the way Snoke looks), the guy (who your friend Pablo and millions of us) believe created the chosen One), the guy (who in his novel) wanted to create weapons to destroy entire star systems, the guy who made Palpatine kill his own father as a test, etc etc etc.....but Snoke can be just Snoke - a complete rip off of Plagueis. Yep, that’s clever storytelling. Let’s take everything from the Plagueis novel, and call this new character ‘Snoke’. It’s ridiculous.
     
    • Like Like x 3
    • Disagree Disagree x 2
    • Hopeful Hopeful x 1
  9. ITG

    ITG Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2015
    Posts:
    1,268
    Likes Received:
    2,152
    Trophy Points:
    10,977
    Credits:
    3,035
    Ratings:
    +4,578 / 336 / -108
    "There’s a rage and a hatred that comes out of who he is and why he is. That character was a dark one to climb inside." - Andy Serkis.

    Andy Serkis on playing Snoke: “The approach to this character was very much that this is someone who’s incredibly damaged." [vanityfair]

    #plagueisconfirmed
     
    • Like Like x 3
    • Informative Informative x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Hopeful Hopeful x 1
  10. Fuzzball

    Fuzzball Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2015
    Posts:
    399
    Likes Received:
    2,191
    Trophy Points:
    11,492
    Credits:
    2,906
    Ratings:
    +3,157 / 5 / -1
    Lets say the movies delve into the mystery behind Snoke's injuries and vulnerability - what realistic options are there that could explain him being "incredibly damaged"?
    • The obvious is Plagueis (which is also the simplest and requires the least exposition).
    • An ancient Jedi or Sith (not Sidious). This would basically be the same story as Plagueis. They must've believed Snoke was killed as nobody mentioned him as a threat until now. Did he disappear and people just forgot about him? It won't be good for Snoke's character if he was injured by some random Jedi or Sith (that we don't know or care about) and that's the reason he's been hiding all this time. At least with the current narrative most of the audience can connect with the fact Sidious was very powerful.
    • The dark side itself. However, the novel describes Snoke's wounds as "long since healed over" implying that he recovered from a non-recent event rather than him atrophying over time. How does the dark side even attack you?
    • A non-Jedi or non-Sith. Again, it will look bad on Snoke if he was left incredibly damaged by some random Force user (who was weaker than the Jedi or Sith).
    I've never really heard a good alternative yet to explain Snoke's injuries, but then again I am rather fond of my Plagueis-tinted glasses. :D


    [​IMG]
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Hopeful Hopeful x 1
  11. DarthPilkington

    DarthPilkington Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2014
    Posts:
    1,289
    Likes Received:
    1,805
    Trophy Points:
    6,937
    Credits:
    4,710
    Ratings:
    +3,237 / 97 / -34
    all signs point to Snoke being Snoke, not Plagz. no where, other than in the land of speculation, is there any evidence supporting a return of Plagz. some may point to circumstantial evidence, but there is no hard evidence.

    with that being said, i honestly wouldn't be surprised if Snoke is a rehash of Plaggy with a different skin.

    if anything, that'll be funniest turn of events: Snoke is essentially Plaggy to hard core fans, but in canon he'll be a totally different character.

    oh the agony you #PlagueisLives zealots will know when that comes about (emperor)
     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. Pomojema

    Pomojema Ayatollah Of Rock-&-Rolla
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2014
    Posts:
    10,177
    Likes Received:
    42,740
    Trophy Points:
    171,329
    Credits:
    44,734
    Ratings:
    +53,035 / 127 / -63
    It's ironic. He could bring the character archetype into the new movies, but not himself...
     
    • Like Like x 3
    • Funny Funny x 3
    • Great Post Great Post x 2
    • Wise Wise x 1
  13. DarthPilkington

    DarthPilkington Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2014
    Posts:
    1,289
    Likes Received:
    1,805
    Trophy Points:
    6,937
    Credits:
    4,710
    Ratings:
    +3,237 / 97 / -34
    hahahaaahahahahahahaahaah pitch perfect
     
  14. Supreme Leader

    Supreme Leader Rebel Commander

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2015
    Posts:
    146
    Likes Received:
    235
    Trophy Points:
    3,132
    Credits:
    753
    Ratings:
    +381 / 34 / -4
    '9 is also the film which unites all three trilogies and brings everything together. That’s all they would tell me...He said 9 definitely makes it feel like they’re all happening in the same universe, and there would be PT elements in 9.'

    did you ever hear the tragedy...
     
    • Hopeful Hopeful x 1
  15. Pomojema

    Pomojema Ayatollah Of Rock-&-Rolla
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2014
    Posts:
    10,177
    Likes Received:
    42,740
    Trophy Points:
    171,329
    Credits:
    44,734
    Ratings:
    +53,035 / 127 / -63
    Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that there can't be something tied to Darth Plagueis in Episode IX, and I actually think there just might be. I'm just saying that the level of denial going around suggesting that Snoke is Darth Plagueis is ridiculous.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  16. Dark Toilet

    Dark Toilet Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2014
    Posts:
    1,456
    Likes Received:
    2,337
    Trophy Points:
    11,077
    Credits:
    3,911
    Ratings:
    +4,340 / 94 / -49
    Snoke is the one who Plagueis cared about. Plagueis prevented Snoke from dying. The first openly LGBT Star Wars characters.

    It is so obvious.
     
    • Funny Funny x 3
  17. ITG

    ITG Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2015
    Posts:
    1,268
    Likes Received:
    2,152
    Trophy Points:
    10,977
    Credits:
    3,035
    Ratings:
    +4,578 / 336 / -108
    Again, mentioning Plagueis in the ST when you’ve got a “brand new character” standing there, who is everything Plagueis is, but goes by a different name? That’s utterly ridiculous.

    Just admit defeat and lock this thread up. Oh and give me all your credits.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Wise Wise x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Clouded Clouded x 1
  18. darth sputnik

    darth sputnik Rebelscum

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2016
    Posts:
    109
    Likes Received:
    300
    Trophy Points:
    1,842
    Credits:
    1,094
    Ratings:
    +464 / 13 / -2
    Here's the thing: I know everyone making the new movies wants to be "new and mysterious", but why make feeble attempts at being "new and mysterious" when the most obvious (and by far the best) explanation for Snoke is he's Plagueis? Why, for the sake of having a tiny sliver of time where "mystery" is important (the few months between movies) would you sacrifice the overall story and longevity of the saga? Maybe people will be disappointed in the short run that Snoke was just Plagueis all along, but in the long run Plagueis ties the 3 trilogies together and makes the most structural and thematic sense.

    Unless they come up with something absolutely genius that millions of fans haven't already imagined, it seems hubristic and dumb to not just go with the obvious best choice: he's Plagueis.


    I guess my point is, if they're sacrificing the good of the story for some short-term shock value, that's sad. If they originally thought they'd make him Plagueis and then changed him to a new mystery character because people figured it out too soon, that's sad. Just do what's best for the story. We don't need gimmicks and "gotchas". Besides, I'll bet less that 5% of the Star Wars audience would even know what the hell was significant about a Plagueis reveal anyway. This intense emotional debate belongs to dorks like us that inhabit message boards.
     
    #12358 darth sputnik, Oct 26, 2017
    Last edited: Oct 26, 2017
    • Like Like x 1
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
    • Hopeful Hopeful x 1
  19. JediMasterRobert

    JediMasterRobert Rebel Official

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2016
    Posts:
    771
    Likes Received:
    1,526
    Trophy Points:
    6,317
    Credits:
    2,744
    Ratings:
    +2,668 / 14 / -1
    I completely agree.

    A story can be surprising and jarring without succumbing to shock-value-level gimmicks and deliberately manufactured mysteries which only serve to prolong the revelation of the otherwise obvious or logically deducible.

    There are many other tools beyond mystery - metaphors, allusions, imagery, dramatic irony, etc. - writers throughout literature's timeline have used with expert effect to compose what would go on to be timeless tales.

    Of course, I expect the Story Group to know this and to have used many, if not most of these tools, but, since movies involve many other persons beyond writers (e.g. producers, micromanagers, etc.), the storytelling process can undergo less than ideal evolutions and "refinements" as there is a drive to engage as large a "general audience" as possible.

    What primarily sustains Plagueis theory, in terms of canon, is Episode III, and it's not an insignificant part of the greater Star Wars story given how influential Palpatine's recounting of the Plagueis story was so instrumental in provoking Anakin's turn to the Dark Side.

    It's far too powerful and relevant a piece of storytelling to disrespect, dismiss, or outright ignore.

    Hopefully the Story Group will find a way to tap into that greater story -- if not in VIII, then perhaps in IX.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Great Post Great Post x 1
  20. ITG

    ITG Force Sensitive

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2015
    Posts:
    1,268
    Likes Received:
    2,152
    Trophy Points:
    10,977
    Credits:
    3,035
    Ratings:
    +4,578 / 336 / -108
    You guys are worthy members of #teamplagueis
    Superb posts as usual.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
Loading...

Share This Page