Darth Plagueis In The Sequel Trilogy.

Dark siders appear to be able to come back as spirits or through possesion of a cadaver.

Snoke was Snoke, died, DP possessed his corpse.

 

i disagree that the signs keep piling up. i don't think there was a pile to begin with, frankly.

even in the Plagueis novel they tell the reader that he dies, that Palpatine kills him. what purpose would him mysteriously coming back to life serve?

if people want to buy into Plagueis and Palpatine having created Anakin, that's one thing. it's not officially canon anymore, but i can see how one can make the assumption, especially since it was implied in the (now Legends) Plagueis novel.

Plagueis coming back to life is different. he's dead when Palpatine mentions him in RotS and he's dead in the Plagueis novel. no where is it said that he has the ability to fend off his own death, or somehow survive death (which means you didn't really die, which Plagueis explicitly did).

let's put all that aside though. would Plagueis even add to the story at this point? would his character coming back and introducing himself propel the story forward at all? again, i can see Kylo Ren and/or Rey discovering that Anakin was something of a dark side creation (it's not my pet theory), but that can be emphasized and made a big deal of with or without Plagueis being present. i mean hell, Palpatine helped create Anakin too, if you buy that story: why not bring him back to help Plagueis explain things?

Plagueis can have an impact on the story without being a Force zombie or immortal sort of figure. the fact that he is confirmed dead in multiple pieces of canon puts the nails in the coffin. (note: pun intended)

as for Anakin's creation, i think they're retooling canon so that he was just a vessel for the Force, much like Rey in the ST. this is also hinted at in the latest Vader comic with Jocasta Nu.

 

Light Side = Force Ghost, Dark Side = Force Lich.

 

So basically this is how I see it: Snoke is ethier Plagueis or someone DEEPLY tied to him. This is why JJ choose to have Snokes theme almost be an exact copy of the opera music from episode 3. Aswell as having Kylo Ren refer to him as 'wise'.


Yes, the DP novel isn't canon. However the Disney story group had allowed JL to re-canonize elements of his old novel (like Plagueis's droid 114D and the fact that Palpatine had connections to the banking clan) in his new canon novel 'Tarkin'.
Obviously the book in its entirety can't be re-canonized because Darth Mauls origin in the book contradicts his new origin story.

In terms of resurrection, Plagueis considered many approaches including growing clones and using force projection to transfer between bodies. He didn't like the idea because it was just a cope out, not true immortality. But if he were to be killed unexpectedly, knowing of a twisted darkside vision of the lightsides force ghost techniques would come in handy I think...Imo none of these concepts seem too obscure to reintroduce into canon. Especially in the new feature films where the biggest and boldest new additions to the lore are introduced.

On a side note, i find Snokes throne room scene to be very reminiscent of Hugos (Plaguies) final moments, but that's not much to go on, I know.

When Rian Johnson was handed the baton that was The Last Jedi, what did he do? He had Kylo mention the Sith in the same breath as Snoke when we're supposedly meant to be past all that stuff by now. Three and a half decades past, to be more specific. Why include such a line, if not to hint towards Snoke being a Sith?

As far as what DP brings to the story, I'd say both little and alot.

Why opt for someone whos backstory may or may not be rooted in a conflict thousands of years in the past when you could use a character that has strong connections to both Palpatine and The Skywalker family? A man already forshadowed in the saga films who's origin doesn't simply ignore the awesome and original concept of the Rule of Two but rather ties into it in a meaningful way.

If JJ really will connect all of the trilogys in episode 9 as he said he would, this would be how to do it.

Edit: Typo

 

obviously the complete your training is reference to the rule of two, he knows Kylo won't be able to kill Rey after the mind bridge brought them closer together. i mean he seems to know everything else, tell us more than Luke as to what is going on, that Ben-Rey are somehow intertwined. the fake death is easily done if he is DP or has equivalent level powers. Andy Serkis one the one who mentioned his resources are 'limitless', remember.

i know it's a small detail (like the opera music huh) but his ring has a reference that is only ever mentioned in the DP novel. Snoke is our guy.

 

I don’t see any harm in just making him be DP now (before if they had him play a big role I could see why they would want him to be new, to a point). Making him DP would explain a lot of things without having to fill the ST with exposition. ROTS would carry some of the weight.

 

I always hoped that they were one in the same, and still do.

Snoke's look/design, Kylo's reference to him as "wise" along with the similarities between the opera music and 'Snoke's Theme' plus his ring all point to this being a very possible truth.

Also his obsession with Ben Solo makes me think he was a bit jealous that Sidious side-lined him and took Anakin all for himself.

Since Plagueis couldn't have Anakin... he took his grandson instead.


Supreme Leader Snoke is his political/military title, kinda like 'Count Dooku' or 'Chancellor Palpatine'.

Darth Plagueis is his Darkside/Sith title.. i.e. 'Darth Tyranus' or 'Darth Sidious'.


Like I said, I really hope they find a way to make this work and bring him back for Episode IX.

They could do it physically... as in have him regenerate or jump to a new body.

Personally, I would rather he be the first Sith to ever return as a darkside spector or "Force Ghost".

That could be extremely scary.

Also, it would definitely make up for him being "defeated" by his apprentice so easily.

It would show how powerful and wise Snoke/Plagueis really is.. considering that feat is supposedly not possible for a Darkside user.

Or so we think...



"Ride the Tide"

-SOAS

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Could you please expand on this for me?

Thanks in advance!


"Ride the Tide"

-SOAS

 

I cant see them reverting back to the past. TLJ was all about confirming that with the cast and saying let the past die and sparking a new. they did it right to have Luke become a legend and showing us powers of the force that we never thought was possible. I mean alot of people were mad that Kylo stopped a blaster mid shot when Vader defected it in the OT. Its just new tech and CGI that can enhance the use of the force.

Plagueis is just a story that the emperor say he killed him. there is alot of stories if you notice throughout the SW saga, every trilogy has them. I think the legend of Luke will continue on throughout this saga and RJ new trilogy. I think RJ trilogy will be the new beginning of the Jedi and SITH. I think Rey will start it and the book of the whillis will be past down. or maybe just the stories of Luke and the force will create new force driven cult.

 

i don't have anything to add other than to suggest you reread what i already wrote.

Snoke isn't Plaggy and Plaggy won't be a character with screen time or dialog in ep 9; there is a very, very slim chance that Plaggy might be referenced, but i predict this will not happen.

mark these words and take them to the bank.

 

This might not happen but...

I had this crazy idea if Snoke is to appear in Episode IX, he would reveal himself to Luke in the nether world. Then, we have this crazy flashback sequence where we can see the Luke vs Emperor confrontation from Plagueis' perspective ( who was actually there ) and many other important moments that happened throughout the PT and OT. He gets weaker as the Sith falls, but he gets stronger as the next chance comes for a dark sider to rise.

However, if there is a Darth Plagueis in the Dark, there will always be the equivalent in the Light. I wonder who?

"Darkness rises, and light to meet it"

 

Click bait title, however:

For all of you who won't let this die.

 

If Plagueis survived Palpatine's attack, why wouldn't he also survive Kylo Ren's attack? Also, wouldn't Plagueis have yellow eyes?

 

We saw there was no coming back from Kylo's attack. We don't know how Palpatine's attack went down, what Palpatine could've missed etc. Dooku didn't have yellow eyes.

 

With all due respect, what utter blast, Pomojema.

Plagueis cheating death after Palpatine’s “attack” and abandoning the Sith Order explains everything.

Anakin DID destroy the Sith (Sidious and Vader). He fulfilled the Prophecy. Snoke (Formerly known as Darth Plagueis) had a greater plan.


IMO.

 

He apparently didn't.

 

Snoke probably was Plagues at the end.

Serkis said today Snoke has a backstory and is few centuries old.

Aftermarh book mentions Sith who prolonged his life for centuries..a Sith.

Kylo says its time to leave behind the Jedi and Sith looking at sliced Snoke.....I though Sith were over at Endor?

Palpatine mentions his Master who cheated death.

Snoke had apprentice before Kylo.

Snoke has a ring crafted by Dwartii,mentined only once in the novel Darth Plagueis.

..yes...it could have been him.

 

Assuming it was him- could he cheat death again?