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Darth Plagueis In The Sequel Trilogy.

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by BB-Rey, Sep 15, 2014.

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Would you like it if Darth Plagueis was the villain of the Sequel Trilogy?

  1. Yeah! He is a very interesting character!

    339 vote(s)
    42.5%
  2. No thanks, Plagueis is dead.

    185 vote(s)
    23.2%
  3. Nope! He never actually existed.

    28 vote(s)
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  4. Yes, but he is in the movie as a corpse.

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  5. He will be mentioned in another "throwaway line" only.

    28 vote(s)
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  6. He is Snoke in disguise.

    9 vote(s)
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  7. Yes, his death was a ruse.

    90 vote(s)
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  8. I don't care either way, brah.

    70 vote(s)
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  9. Of course, who else would you choose?

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    Yes and Andy Serkis said he had been told it.
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    It could be what you say is true. If so I do not think you can say he is dead this time. Because if your theory is true he has escaped death before and by the looks of Snoke...more then once.
     
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    I would still say the FO are the villains. Just have Kylo turn to save the galaxy from Rey. Having Rey turn would be interesting.
     
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    I agree - but I can't see her turning to the dark side, she's Disney's golden girl.
     
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    Snoke isn't Plagueis and that's fine. But people really need to stop being such a-holes to people who held this theory. No matter what you think of it, it's actually a really good fan theory and still is.

    1) It escalates the conflict of the other Saga films while still keeping it connected. We beat Palpatine, now we face Palpatine's master.

    2) It doesn't involve non-canon/non-film characters. Plagueis makes so much more sense than Thrawn or the Vong because he originates in the Saga films. In fact, we hear about him in the last film before TFA. It makes total sense to mention a character in RotS in 2005 and introduce that character in the next movie in 2015.

    3) He comes with a built-in mechanic reason for still being alive. We know Plagueis has some power over death. You don't need to stretch to think he's still around. Snoke even has what appears to be some deep physical wound.

    And that's huge. You don't need to pull anything from canon or legends to make this work. Anybody who watched just the Saga films could track with it.

    True or not, this theory makes more sense than most from almost any standpoint. It doesn't involve conspiracy-theory sleuthing and canon digging, it just makes tons of sense from the structure of the movies. People shouldn't be mocked for thinking it might be so.
     
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    i second this 100%

    Plagueis is canon. talk of a dark side power to cheat death is also canon. it's canon that Palpatine said that he killed him.

    none of the above rules out the fan theories about Plagueis. nothing in canon makes them wrong or stupid.. nothing.

    those that are rude and jump on someone for a theory they don't like.. well i can't say what i think of them without getting into trouble lol.
     
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    This place was once the hottest spot in Mos Eisley, until it wasn't.
     
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    It’s not over.
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    Nothing wrong with flatering the fans a bit when it fits nicely.
     
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    I’m certainly not ready to get off the Plagueis train. Full steam ahead! Can’t wait to see him in the final chapter of the Skywalker saga!
     
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    Great thing about DARTH PLAGUEIS not coming back in the ST as Snoke is he can come back later!
     
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    Damn. All we gotta do is wake @master_shaitan and we can get this party started again.
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    Unless Disney / JJ managed to make use of the potentially amazing, saga-spanning back-story of DARTH PLAGUEIS in IX, this is probably just another "wishful thinking" exercise, but it helps to pass the time :)

    I made a new crawl in support of my hypothetical IX title...

    STAR WARS
    EPISODE IX
    TO WALK THE SKY


    https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....ix-title-speculation.8234/page-47#post-534034

    Full text of the crawl (which alludes to DP) is at that link along with an animation (created at another website which I'm not sure will preserve it long-term).

    "To Walk the Sky" not only completes the possible saga titles "sentence" (THE FORCE AWAKENS... THE LAST JEDI... TO WALK THE SKY), I think, but I believe it also can be a somewhat fitting end-title for the supposed conclusion of the "Skywalker Saga."

    I could further imagine "To Walk the Sky" to be a phrase or line from the JOURNAL OF THE WHILLS, in which it is suggested Jedi barely and rarely tap into the full potential of the Force.

    This, paired with the long-ago "Ancient Fear," to me, seems to be a possible vehicle for bringing PT / OT / ST together via Plagueis, who (I imagine) had an artifact he found or created in his efforts to achieve immortality.

    Such an artifact could move the ST beyond the now-boring DS / DS 2 / Starkiller superweapon trope and take the ST where it needs to be: in the heart of the Force, the eternal struggle between Darkness and Light

    - which makes such a "Force Artifact" potentially impressive, I believe, even moreso to think that DP may have already used it and somehow this ties into the Skywalker bloodline.

    Imagine Luke Skywalker, even as a Force Ghost, and Anakin, feeling the influence of such a pan-life-Force-spanning object, which would make the quest for it dire and intense.

    Anyway, I could imagine :) I'm sure IX has the potential to be amazing in many other ways, but, I figured, why not one last time imagine what could be while it's still yet an unknown and (to the fans) an undecided matter.
     
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    While I think McDiarmid’s return to the franchise may not necessarily mean that Sidious is alive and well in Rise of Skywalker , I am hopeful. It is possible that Palpatine could appear in a flashback or as a hologram within the Deah star ruins or in some other indirect way that does not require his resurrection or existence as a Sith ghost. If he is alive, however, then we may finally get clarity on what happened to Darth Plagueis and what Sidious learned from him with respect to midichlorian manipulation and the key to immortality. They would need to address this to explain how he came back to life or survived the Death Star. The recent Fortress Vader comic book arc makes clear through Darth Momin that Sith Lords can bind their essence to physical objects (a mask in this case) and come back to affect the physical world by way of “haunting”. Perhaps he did this to a piece if the Death Star.

    “To cheat death is a power only one has achieved but if we work together, I’m sure we can disocver the secret” - Sidious to Vader (RoTS)

    “He could save others from death, but not himself” - Sidious to Vader (RoTS)

    “he [Sidious] would not allow himself to be sidetracked from his goal of unlocking the secrets many of the Sith Masters before him had sought: the means to harness the powers of the dark side to reshape reality itself; in effect, to fashion a universe of his own creation. Not mere immortality of the sort Plagueis had lusted after, but influence of the ultimate sort.”

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    https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/tarkin-star-wars/id877161891?mt=11
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    “Darth Plagueis had once remarked that “the Force can strike back.” The death of a star didn’t necessarily curtail its light, and indeed Sidious could see evidence of that”

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    Tarkin: Star Wars
    James Luceno
    https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/tarkin-star-wars/id877161891?mt=11
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    Must be 666 posts in this Thread to make DP come back.
     
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    time to fire up the Plagueis train again. if Palpatine is somehow alive or lingering around and learnt the ability to cheat/sidestep death we all know what that means.

    i still think everything connects too well with the good old wise Supreme Leader for Snoke not to be Plagueis. it becomes too convoluted to have Palpatine, Snoke and Plagueis in the mix and my money is on Plagueis being very relevant if Palpatine is to play a part. so it's much simpler and ties everything together if he's Snoke.

    how this plays out in the narrative I have no idea but I know we need to see that flashback of Palpatine killing his former master which could be a dark scene indeed. maybe Snoke gets a new body this time around and Palpatine's spirit is needed to learn how to kill his former master.

    they've basically paved the way for a proper big bad to emerge in this movie with the re-introduction of Palpatine. that they've given him away so early means there will be plenty more twists and my money is on Plagueis being the true vilian. again, it all connects too well. remember what Andy Serkis said about Snoke, that he was way more powerful than the emperor and had unlimited resources. methinks this is still true...

    and the title 'The Rise of Skywalker' explicitly ties the film to the Skywalker lineage as a whole, namely it's history. where did it originate and why? maybe someone (Plagueis) was responsible for creating it and these super powered force users keep popping up because said creator is still around! Snoke sure seemed to have a lot of insight into the force, especially this light side-dark side balancing act in TLJ.

    or if Palpatine is legit alive and becomes the bad guy (unlikely), Snoke stays Snoke, then enter Plagueis for a future sequel triology :)
     
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    Rey become Schmi.
     
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