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SPECULATION Darth Vader in Rogue One?

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Old Biff from the Future, Jan 1, 2016.

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Should Vader be shown in Rogue One?

Poll closed Apr 10, 2016.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Darthlaw

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    I know I will get blasted for this opinion but I hope this does not happen. Vader is better as a vague figure choking subordinates. My opinion is the comics have made him an immortal god. I think the notion of him being all powerful is a discredit to all of the jedi that died with order 66. Qui Gon was very clear the jedi were not gods or all powerful. If they play Vader the way they did in the comics it makes the dark side look much stronger than the light. It would appear that Vader could only be killed by allowing himself to be killed, but we know this to not be true as Obi-Wan damn near killed him. The jedi were overwhelmed by numbers but the sith can't be? I don't like it.
     
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    I think Vader being the enemy they all fear, and can ruin their mission if he finds them, is a great plot device. It'll create tension throughout the movie. Will Vader find them? Who survives their contact with him? So many great ways for him to make an entrance... and "oh blast!" moment.
     
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    I somewhat disagree. While you do have a point about the dangers of portraying Vader too powerfully, I've yet to see him do anything that the Jedi (specifically Obi-Wan in The Clone Wars) couldn't do in the prequels. Whilst the Jedi and Sith are not gods, very little can actually kill them. Only high amounts of concentrated blasterfire, physically exhausting tasks despite being aided by the force, betrayal by those whom they trust, exceptionally large falls, high voltage, lightsaber wounds, or something similar can kill them. Also, the dark side does grant one greater offensive power, and Darth Vader sort-of struggled defensively against those cyborg creeps that serve Darth Sidious.
     
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    Yes, this could be very effective. Not Vader often and long on screen, but at pivotal moments, perhaps at times shared with bounty hunters.

    Looking back at cinematic examples like Jaws and Alien, the anticipation or wondering of something being there somewhere generates a persistent intensity.

    In the midst of all of this, perhaps here is where a Boba Fett cameo could work and even add a bit of value to Vader's "no disintegrations" line in The Empire Strikes Back: imagine, at one point, Vader in a seemingly awkward position, apparently cornered or vulnerable, and then Fett jumps in, thinking Vader needs help instead of realizing Vader is setting a trap for Rebels, and Fett goes off disintegrating targets indiscriminately. It could also give Vader a chance to show Fett who's really in charge here, Force-pulling Fett to him Kylo style.

    This scene could play out a bit more (Vader vs. Fett; Vader "winning," of course in fairly short order) and even show us where and how Fett received the famous dent in his helmet.

    Knowing who Vader is and that he will still be very much around in Episode IV: A New Hope also adds to the tension of this tale.

    I know some fans might genuinely cheer for this on-screen aspect of Vader, as if this could be a chance to re-certify him as the "baddest Sith of them all," especially in a post-Phantom Menace world, where some people may still remember the unique intensity, brief as it was, Darth Maul brought to his encounters with Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi in that film.

    Personally, I would prefer Vader's presence to be used as sparingly as possible, not gratuitously, to support the Rouge One narrative and the larger saga: his presence, words, and actions exemplifying his ruthlessness and abilities while underscoring how pivotal and determined he was to stomp out the Rebellion.

    Anything beyond that could risk the film appearing to descend to the level of pure fan service and even diminish the perceived reach and power of the Empire itself.

    JediMasterRobert
     
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    Vader =/= Deus Ex Machina is that not what Vader is meant to be in the face of simple soilder's
     
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    Dear Kylo Ren,

    " I'll show you the full power of the Dark Side"

    Your grandfather.
     
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    The opening "scene" in Lords of the Sith" showed the willingness of the story group to portray Vader as brutal, God-like, and someone to be very afraid of.

    That was one of the best written scenes in all of the new canon.
     
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    I would love to see a battle scene where Vader slaughters the masses, akin to scenes like Bebe vs. The crazy 88s in Kill Bill, and any of the epic fight scenes in the Lone Wolf and Cub samurai movies. Poignant, overwhellming violence that drags through the wringer, that is cinematic and beatiful and ugly all at the same time and leaves you drained and exhausted at the end of the viewing, as you think the scene can't go on, but it does and you can't look away. Classic cinema.

    I'm not sure how you could make it work in R1, though in a way the more powerful and invulnerable you make Vader, the more poignant you make Lukes redemtion of him. Perhaps it could be used to highlight the bravery and sacrifice of rebel soldiers.

    Maybe in a later SW movie.
     
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    I wager Vader is brutal, cold, calculated and very pissed off the plans manage to get stolen. I foresee him at the end punishing those who failed him and revealing that he as a trace on the consular ship the plans are beamed to and assures the Emperor he is in pursuit and will have the plans shortly...

    THE END

    Start Episode IV and it will be seamless.
     
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    So PUMPED for this movie!
     
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    After reading the comics from the Vader Down series, I'm really looking forward to see a powerful and merciless Vader. I definitely agree it was a good idea to include him as part of Rogue One.
     
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    I aid this earlier but I hope the CGI is photorealistic for him to pull off crazy stuff .
     
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    After thinking about the R1 and the plot I started to think more of that this movie is more towards the darkside of the force. Yes the plot is to steal the plans of the death star but I has to come with a price for the rebel alliance. This will show Vader more aggressive with the force since there is no other one (hopefully) in the movie. Just to tie it in with ANH Vader is the only one we know who uses the force. I mean you can make a case of Kanan in R1 (if he was in R1 that would be dope)

    may the force be with you always...
     
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    So long as the character CGI is not rushed like in The Force Awakens, it should be really good. Though the film's budget will also be a determining factor; hmm...
     
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    Well hard metals and plastics are harder to render when they're humanoid figures unless they're non-moving parts .
     
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    After I saw Man of Steel(not so great movie, but the action was really good) I understood they could make fast and powerful fights in Dragon Ball style in a really convincing way, so from that part, I think it shouldn't be a big problem ;)
     
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    Have you seen battlefront cinematics? It's meant to be realistic but it is not. Vader's realistic graphics engines need to be spelled out which I think they've already been working on for months anyways .
     
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    In battlefront they used the in-game graphic engine even for the cinemtics, and that's a videogame, in a movie they won't use a graphic engine that is used for a videogame ;)
    (and the engine they used for battlefront was really good for being a videogame, the graphics were really impressive)
     
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    Yeah I'll give it that, I was blown away in comparison to the "revolutionary" graphics of TFU...its just that I've seen renders of CGI in the past 2 or so years that have looked completely fake and for something as iconic as Vader they sshouod go all out ...
     
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