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SPOILER Deadly "Disney"

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by The Hud, Dec 21, 2017.

  1. The Hud

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    I remember when Disney bought the franchise all those years ago and the cries of Disneyfication were going up, there would be rainbows and unicorns all throughout Star Wars....sigh.

    The three movies they have released have been anything but light and hoppy, to me. Sure, they all have fun moments in and TFA captured the adventurous spirit once more, however, the themes and moments are far 'darker' (i hate that adjective) in TFA, R1 and TLJ then they get credit for.

    Just look at their kill list...

    Han Solo
    Luke Skywalker
    Admiral Ackbar
    Vice Admiral Holdo
    Lor San Tekka (small part, but still, it's Max von Sydow...)
    Supreme Leader Snoke
    All of the Resistance pretty much
    The entire Rogue One squad (would it been a huge issue if say, Baze and Bodhi survived? Nope. Disney want BLOOD! :D)
    Director Krennic
    Saw Gerrera
    Captain Phasma
    Roast Porg
    5 planets in the Hosnian System
    Jakku village slaughter
    Probably more I'm forgetting...plus whatever may happen in Rebels

    I know Disney enjoy murdering cute animals parents (Bambi, Nemo) so there's precedent, but it seems to me that they have no problem with making the big calls compared to the safety of before - and I like it, it delivers genuine stakes. During TLJ I genuinely believed Finn was about to sacrifice himself or Rey would turn to the Dark, gone are the infallible heroes and it's bloody great.

    (I'm also aware that it's not Disney who call the shots completely when it comes to SW)

    I know the last three movies haven't been everyone's cup of tea, but I applaud Disney/LFL for being bolder in their decisions and straying from the standard trope of goodies pull everything off and survive, and baddies just die.


    Disjointed ramblings over.
     
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    Disney is doing a great work so far.

    I like TFA, RO and TLJ. Not much to complain about these movies.
     
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    I call it the George R R Martin-ifcation of sci-fi/fantasy. The success of the books, and the HBO series Game of Thrones has shown that there is a market, and a viable one at that, for more "adult" themes, endings, etc.

    I don't know that the loss of minor characters like Phasma is that new. Jabba died fairly quickly, and without too much development. Same for Boba Fett (he went out like a punk), Darth Maul, etc. But I get what you are saying. It really does up the stakes. And I loved that the entire Rogue One team were ripped out.
     
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    Reminds me of that line in Jurassic Park 2, Roland says: "I believe I've spent enough time in the company of death."

    I don't like how writers (not just Star Wars, but everything) keep insisting on escalating the shock factor in order to get a rise out of the audience. Bit of a pet peeve of mine. Death should always be treated seriously and respectfully. Sacrifice need not be gratuitous. It's not the death itself that should be noteworthy, but the setup beforehand and the reaction afterward. The context should always be just as substantial as the actions that occur within it.
     
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    Disney is destroying Star Wars.
     
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    Did you make an account just to tell us?
     
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    You bully LOL
     
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    (duel)insert duel of the fates music
     
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    The irony is that if Disney had just made the ST a continuation of the OT characters and their adventures going forward, and more slowly introduced the new characters in supporting roles (with the idea of them taking over the main focus in future eps and movies beyond the ST), and with a completely new villain in terms of originality, they'd be better off financially and critically. Everything has moved too fast and haphazardly in the ST, and very little regard/respect has been paid to what came before. It has been very poorly done thus far. It might have been better even if they had not labelled these movies as the ST eps 7 thru 9, because they really don't connect or fit well at all with eps 1 thru 6. Eps 7 and 8 really don't make any sense at all in that regard.
     
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    Yeah ok, that alone should be an indicator how much Disney has to say storywise, sorry guys I have been reading pritty much everything around this and there is nothing sugesting that they are involved in the story. I know the Disney corparet critique train always sells to fans but maybe we can drop that one day.
     
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    I'm really over people complaining that Disney ruined SW. Basically everything about SW is criticized save for the OT, anyway, and it's always going to be that way.
     
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    Totally agreed. The Last Jedi has some hope in it, but it's also incredibly dark. Rogue One even more so. If someone is still making snide remarks that "Disney is making Star Wars for kids", they clearly stopped paying attention two and a half years ago.
     
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    Don't be surprised if it gets 'worse' with Solo.
     
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    Exactly this. It wasn't too long ago I remember people insisting that George Lucas ruined Star Wars. Haters gonna hate.
     
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