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SPECULATION Death Star II

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Darth Spocktor, Feb 24, 2016.

  1. Darth Spocktor

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    So as we know, Rogue One is about the Rebellion getting the plans to the first Death Star.

    We've already seen a good deal of DS1 in the films - we saw DS1's plans in AOTC, it's construction in ROTS and the completed station in ANH - and of course it's destruction.

    However, the same cannot be said about DS2 - we only learn about it ROTJ.

    Do you think any of Rogue One could feature DS2? Or perhaps only a quick reference to it's existence?

    Also, do you think there should be an anthology film about DS2? Rogue Two?
     
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    Perhaps there should be a throw away line from the Imperials... "They stole the plans to THIS station yes? Not the bigger one?" :)

    Thinking about it though, look how many years it took for DS1 to get from the drawing table to full commission. When do you think they decided to start building the second, bigger one - the lead time must've been mad! Or they brought in a significantly greater number of builders to even get it part constructed in time for the BoE!!
     
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    I would actually really like this!
    You're right, a lot of sceentime has been given to the first Death Star, it'd be cool to see the second one brought up at some point.
     
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    "Don't sweat it Lord Vader, the Death Star is just a 1:4 scale prototype. The real one's being built over by Endor"
     
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    I was kind of under the impression that the construction was of multiple Death Stars, and this film just dealt with stealing the plans to that design. So in this one the good guys find out about this large scale plan to build these bases and realize they need those schematics to find a weakness and stop the project, in ANH we see the first prototype is finished and operational, knowing there are probably others being made elsewhere, and the one in ROTJ is the (nearly) market ready final product.

    One thing I kinda at this point hope they don't do (but probably will since there are comparisons being made to Oppenheimer who wasn't super happy about what he'd helped build) is I hope they don't make that 2 meter ventilation port Luke hit in ANH an intentional "Persian Flaw" put there by the designer. It might cheapen the Rebels veneer of cleverness in ANH for finding the exhaust port and discovering how to exploit it.

    Maybe I'm wrong to think that though. What do y'all think?
     
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    Personally I think the rumors about Mad Mikkelsen possibly playing the Death Star designer is an intriguing idea. I don't think the designer would put the ventilation port on the thing as a weakness - it's a ventilation shaft. That said, perhaps he is aware that it is a weakness and decides to work with the Rebels.

    Or maybe it could be left ambiguous if he intentionally put a weakness there - that would be interesting.

    Personally I think the two Death Stars are a little different in design; the shield generation is different. And surely the Empire would change the Death Star II design after their defeat with Death Star I. Although you could easily be right.
     
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    So, I just looked them up and apparently I'd forgotten that the two Death Stars were different sizes. And it also says they fixed the design flaw and that the Emperor killed the designer for the exhaust port weakness, although that can easily be rewritten for the new canon. So most likely for a more streamlined story, they built these suckers one at a time.

    I like the idea of some ambiguity surrounding why that flaw exists. Perhaps that would be better than making the designer just shrug and say "oops!" or the alternative where he points to the screen and says to the Rogues "Look at this hole right here. Looooook at it. Do you see it? Look. Hole."
     
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    To be fair though, I think it's exaggerated exactly how big a flaw the exhaust port is. It's pretty small, and besides Luke had to use the Force and it was almost suicide to even get near it.
     
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    I can't remember, but they hadn't analyzed the plans for a weakness until Leia arrived at Yavin, right?
     
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    Well Artoo had the plans so it would have been a bit tricky to analyse something they do not have.
    & the attack was defenatly a seat of there pants type mission rather than a well thought out attack which fitted in with Lucas wanting to pay homage to a lot of WW2 air attack missions
     
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    It's not really crystal clear in the original Star Wars how they find out about the flaw. The implication is that the Rebels discover the flaw on Yavin 4, but there is some 'wiggle room'. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that the plans were already examined by the time Artoo got hold on them. Maybe the plans were annotated highlighting the weakness. Just me speculating.
     
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    Haha, true! It's a Swiss cheese memory I have sometimes.

    That was kinda the trajectory of my speculation regarding the Mads Mikkelson characters' intentionally putting in a weakness once he realized what he'd made. I'm funnily enough picturing him having a moment much like Alec Guiness' character in the end of Bridge on the River Kwai.
     
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    I agree. General Taggi mentioned the possibility of a flaw first during the Death Star conference. Either he was just prudent or he had heard rumors of a flaw, but didn't have a substantiated proof.

    Then there is Leia. She rather sacrifices her home planet than to give away the location of the hidden Rebel base, but doesn't mind the Death Star tracking them to aforementioned hidden base.

    Unless she heard of that rumor, too, she put too much on the "hope card".
     
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    That's right if she had not made it of the death star this could have happened, how badly prepare the rebels would have been.
    [​IMG]
     
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