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Death Star plans....

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Master Raze Golladio, Jan 22, 2017.

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  1. Master Raze Golladio

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    OK, so I got thinking about the creation of the first Death Star, and where it sits in the official timeline now that Rogue One has been out for a while, and is governed by the Leland Chee and the Story Group, along with the other canon stories around the same time, like Rebels, AotC, TCW, and RotS. So let's lay out the facts that we know about the process so that it follows the chronological order in the overall story.

    AotC:
    Poggle the Lesser, leader of the Geonosians, is seen handing the Death Star schematics to Count Dooku:
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    RotS:
    At the end of the movie, Sidious, Vader and Tarkin are seen standing in front of a partially-constructed Death Star.
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    Rebels:
    Season 3, Episode 13, "Warhead" - Possibly the sole surviving Geonosian draws a shape in the sand for the Rebels which looks like the Death Star, but is later possibly confused with some massive cannisters, so the distinct definition of what he knew is obfuscated. It is also suggested that there may be something relating to the Death Star hidden in the deep caverns, but again, it's unclear and so is subjective as to whether this is relevant to the story.
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    Rogue One:
    It is said that Galen Erso designed the Death Star, essentially from the ground up.
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    So my point here is this: are we to assume, then, that Galen Erso designed the Death Star on Geonosis, somehow under the protection or imprisonment of the Geonosians, or was commissioned by them to do so? Otherwise what reason would there be for Poggle to have the plans to hand over to the Separatists? Or did the Empire simply outsource the work to the Geonosians, who in turn then recruited Galen? It certainly doesn't seem that way in the flashback when Krennic is shown visiting Galen and family in Rogue One. Something doesn't match up here....
     
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    I would go with the Empire simply outsource the work to the Geonosians.
     
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    Geonosians designed and built the Death Star, but couldn't make the weapon work. They worked on the DS when Krennic released Poggle the Lesser from the Republic prison (yes, Palpatine started building it during the Republic), he led his workers during the building process. Later he escaped and joined the Separatists on Mustafar. We know how that ended. Galen Erso worked ONLY on the super laser powered by kyber crystals (his specialty, he wanted to create affordable power source for the galaxy) first unknowingly (Catalyst) and later under duress (Rogue One). I don't think he even met Geonosians.
     
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    This was how I understood it too... until a friend then asked me how Erso came to 'design in the deliberate flaw' which is in the superstructure, not the laser.

    I have no answer, so guess I'll just live with it ;)
     
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    It's an exhaust port that is the flaw.
    The weapon creates massive amounts of energy...that needs removed...thus exhaust port.

    Galen: "The weapon creates too much excess energy to be stored. It needs connected to the exhaust ports."
    ta-da
     
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    Pablo Hidalgo said that he made a flaw within the reactor making it unstable. He knew that it can be destroyed, but didn't know how which is why he sent them to Scarif to get the plans.

    The novelization contradicts this, by describing how Galen manipulated the bureaucracy to approve the cheapest, quickest way of dispelling excess energy - the exhaust port.

    But, we were told before, if something appears in the novelization and not in the movie - the movie supersedes all. And in the hologram, he says he made the flaw in the reactor. One hit to it, and the whole system goes down.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 22, 2017, Original Post Date: Jan 22, 2017 ---
    I forgot to add, the conclusion is that without the flaw within the reactor, even if Luke hit the exhaust port - it wouldn't have exploded.
     
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    This is not possible: we now have a Story Group that expressly manages the overall tale to be consistent.
    Chaos and inconsistencies belong to all that tacky and has-been old stuff, called Legends.

    What appears in the movies is canon. Midi-chlorians are canon. :eek:
     
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    I read this as sarcasm, hopefully correctly. :D

    Of course it's possible, the book authors cannot possibly see the final cut of the film and be able to release the book on time. It is surprising how close to the movie is Rogue One novelization actually is. And, IMO, it gives the movie additional depth. One inconsistency is a huge success. :)

    Luckily, the Story Group does keep things clear. You can watch them on SW Show, Pablo talks about what Galen did.
     
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    It was, of course.


    Ahem, here comes the truth. I'm not english spoken. I am from France, so I can delude myself on a written text (thanks to Google Translate) but, concerning "spoken english" I'm about as fluent as a spanish cow. :( Every "english" vid on youtube painfully remembers me every day : english spoken is not for me :(
     
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    Sorry, man, you can go a couple of posts up and read what Pablo Hidalgo said. Google Translate works on our posts. :)
     
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    So that's the official explanation?

    Apparently they do have affordable power by the time of ESB, i.e. a miniature camping gear fusion reactor ("fusion furnace" according to the screenplay) that Luke used to provide Artoo with energy on Dagobah, but I'm unaware that they needed kyber crystals for that, nevertheless that could be the decisive element to start the nuclear fusion. :cool:
     
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    Explanation for what?

    Galen's affordable energy experiments meant powering entire planets not just camp gear. :D

    That amount of energy was then weaponized, first behind Galen's back and since he was caught with his participation.
     
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    Didn't Galen only work on the weapon/rector? Oh and is Palpatine looking at the DS plans in ROTS when Anakin comes to tell him about Obi and Grievous?
     
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    Exactly my point, if you can have a nuclear fusion reactor inside an object of camping gear size, a SW nuclear fusion power plant would then probably have the capacity to power an entire planet.

    I usually consider the "fusion furnace" as proof that there has been some considerable technological breakthrough in the SW Universe, opposite to our scientists that are still struggling to ignite the fusion process (requires several million degrees) and keep that ultra-hot plasma contained within a magnetic field so that the reactor isn't being vaporized in the process.
     
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    Yeah their a expendable work force.
     
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    Luke's camp gear and DS are not the same technology. Galen was the first who powered the kyber crystals. And I am not sure that nuclear fusion is canon, regardless of the script.

    Yup, it's legends: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nuclear_fusion

    Yes and yes. The Geonosians couldn't make the weapon work, hence Galen.
     
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    I don't believe Hollywood were getting Rogue 2 down the line. How the Bothans stole the DS2 plans... is that canon?
     
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    Nope. Just this:



    :D
     
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    Rogue 2 is the callsign of the snowspeeder pilot who rescues Han and Luke on Hoth.
    ;)
     
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    Thx, I have always wondered if he was the plans.. Kinda looks like it could be a planet..
     
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