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Death Star

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Count...your toes, Aug 14, 2016.

  1. Count...your toes

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    Ok, so hidalgo is on twiter saying the Death Star can travel in hyperspace. Can anyone confirm/discredit this? Also, if true, how do you feel about that? I never considered it could because of its size, if it can, it's kind of a game changer for me...honestly, it's blowing my mind a little bit...

    Thoughts?
     
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    If it doesn't travel via hyperspace it would make a travel from a planet to another taking centuries and it would be an useless weapon.
     
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    Battleships and aircraft carriers travel great distances without "flying" and still get there. If its true, then hyperspace is more impressive than the laser to me. You'd forever have surprise in your favor.

    So, why wouldn't the plan be to hyperspace to target, blow it up, recharge, hyperspace to next target?
     
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    I always assumed it could, Pablo just said it plainly.

    If it could be near Jedha, Scariff and Alderaan within a few days, it makes sense that it behaves like any ship with hyperdrive albeit a humongous one.

    You can hyperspace CLOSE to the target, but close in SPACE is relative.
     
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    It probably has its own shield , too, while travelling at hyperspace though it would make more sense for it to travel similar to how SKB does .
     
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    Um, I'm not sure exactly what your argument is here? Distances on Earth bear no comparison to those in space. The DS laser couldn't operate across galactic distances, as unless they were using some sort of gravitational lensing effect, which would be at least tricky, if not impossible to do for most targets. The laser, composed of light, can only move on a geodesic through space, which in laymans terms pretty much means in a straight line. So, of course it had to transport to within firing range of a target planet and in a meaningful timescale relevant to achieving the Empires goals. I'm not even sure how size would be a factor in regards to movement through space or hyperspace, it's not like wind resistance or anthing would be a factor.

    Besides, there are other strategic reasons for weapons such as battleships and Death Stars, besides the ability to destroy targets. In fact, it can be argued that the symbolic psychological pressure of the DS in regards to creating fear and awe within the population of the Empire was the more important function of the DS, and the planet destroying ability just an adjunct of this. The imposing size of the DS was just another aspect of the weapon used to create fear anyway.

    Deciding on targets was always the more problematic issue than the actual destruction of the target anyway. So there would be no real advantage in population control just constantly moving through space and destroying planets. Population control was the real aim of the DS after all, not population destruction.
     
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    I always thought it did, found this, apparently 123 where set up on the first one, they sure like to get around fast when on a planet destroying spree.
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/SSP06_hyperdrive_generator
     
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    With Imperial Officers singing "If I could turn back time...."
     
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    How does SKB travel?
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    So many things, 1: it would have to have its own set of coordinates and routes. I understand that space is vast, but it wouldn't fit all the normal routes. What was Hans warning about light speed? 2: the energy consumption, beyond massive. 3. TFA taught us you can exit light speed within atmosphere. I understand the Death Star is not the falcon, but consistancy matters. To me at least.

    Look, I'm not one of these guys that knows the serial number on Vaders suit, but I need to believe my sci-fi while I'm watching it, or I can't enjoy it.
     
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    It's something about bending space/time .
     
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    The trouble is, in Star Wars you are not watching sci-fi, but fantasy space opera with space wizards, prophesies and all-present energy that holds the galaxy together. It even powers the Death Star via kyber crystals which should answer energy consumption question. :D

    Asking for answers that fit our galaxy, our physics, our rules, is maybe not the path to the Dark Side but certainly to the lack of enjoyment.
     
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    Wouldn't it be a little absurd to have the Death Star travel through hyperspace when we all saw it moving slowly to reach it's target in ANH? What was the point then of having it slowly reach Yavin 4 when they could have just popped out of hyperspace in firing rage in front of the planet and just blow it up?
     
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    To answer your question Merman I give you a description from Wookiepedia about the Death Star's hyperdrive.
    !!!! death star 2016-08-14 18_22_35-Capture.png
    While it was indeed able to travel through hyperspace, the Death Star was indeed still much slower than most craft and it should not be able to just pop up as you said. On a personal note I do have to say that these things were never addressed in the movies and it does make one wonder how indeed could the station travel cause I have to agree with you in that if the DS could simply travel at lightspeed, what was the point of appearing far from the planet to make a slow travel towards it. Another thing we would have to consider is just how far away the DS could fire but as I mentioned before, I don't think these things were so thought out in 1977. We fans weren't so nitpicky back then and nobody would be asking these things. It's just the same as having the massive Super Star Destroyer Executor go down when all it recived was this little damage.

    FleetJunkiesCloseYourEyes-ROTJHD.jpg

    Just seeing the A-Wing hit there was enough at that time to convince us all that it had hit a super important component that was critical to the ship. Now days we see that all it hit was the bridge and nothing more and it isn't logical for a ship that size to go down for having received such minimal damage. Lucas created SW in a more simple time when not every tiny minor detail was addressed by the fans. You could get away with tons of things back then that would create outrage nowadays. :)
     
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    I can make excuses for this that I'm personally ok with, though it doesn't put the matter to rest, I think it comes down to drama, and without the Death Star moving into firing range scenes there's not a lot of tension. I'll go with the theory that... yes the Death Star travels through hyperspace, but must approach planets with caution due it's size and gravitational effect. I imagine that, being the size of a moon, it must need to position itself carefully in orbit or whatever. Also when I think about military procedures here on Earth with actual physics, I understand very little. So it kind of stands to reason that the procedures that the Galactic Empire have in place for planetary approach of their world destroying space station may not make sense to me, but are there for good reason in a galaxy of pretend science.
     
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    Not absurd at all. What you saw in ANH was a simple matter of astrophysics and geometry. The DS traveled in a straight line through hyperspace from Alderan to the Yavin system but had to exit hyperspace because the Planet Yavin was in the way. It then had to maneuver around Yavin to get a clear shot at Yavin 4. So, not absurd at all.
     
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    YES! EXACTLY! THANK YOU!
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    Huh...alright, where'd you get that?
     
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    That's a great theory my friend and I'm with you on that 100%
     
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    Now I'm not watching sci-fi?! Please define the difference
     
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    The science fiction is based on our reality and it's a projection of possible future and/or events depending on the things we know of our reality - our science, our history, our society, etc. It's STAR TREK. We already flied to space, it is possible that we will leave the Solar System and meet other sentient beings, etc.

    Fantasy invents things that do not exist and most likely could not exist in our reality, like magic a.k.a. The Force and wizards and warlocks a.k.a. Jedi and Sith. It's STAR WARS. If you want to nitpick, the closest genre of Star Wars is science fantasy, but it's still not OUR science.

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    And from the Creator himself:

    "I knew from the beginning that I was not doing science fiction. I was doing a space opera, a fantasy film, a mythological piece, a fairy tale. I really thought I needed to establish from the start that this was a completely made up world so that I could do anything I wanted."

    George Lucas, interview
    Star Wars: The Annotated Screenplays
     
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