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Death Star

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Count...your toes, Aug 14, 2016.

  1. Bandini

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    When you park your car, you do it at full speed ?

    I want to see that.

    Alderaan and Yavin are not close planets.

    http://www.swgalaxymap.com
     
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    This has me wondering what hyperspace in Star Wars actually is. If it is a version of common wormhole theory it suggests that space is folded so the two points connect. Therefore a vessel would exit hyperspace at the same speed it entered, and there would be no course as such for the navicomputer to calculate and travel would be instantaneous. That's how it works in Battlestar Galactica. This doesn't seem to be the case in Star Wars as Han says "you could fly through a star". So he is talking about extremely high speeds. The journey to Alderaan takes hours and the visual effect of entering hyperspace suggests acceleration. So deceleration must also be a factor.
     
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    Well............
     
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    You have no idea how many jerks do that here where I live in Puerto Rico! There are some stupid people here that will almost run anyone over just to get a parking!
     
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    But can Star Trek really be considered science fiction? We have Species 8472 who are telepatic aliens who live in liquid space and who use bio ships, we have various alien species who have mental powers, omnipotent beings like Q who can alter reality and time and space at whim and the transporter and holodeck technology defies logic and is more farfetched than anything we have seen in the tech from SW. There are even some aliens and other beings who could use telekinesis and healing powers on others which could be considered as the same as the Force.
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    It is my humble opinion that maybe once ST was considered sci fi but it has evolved into something beyond that to the point that it is exactly the same as SW.
     
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    Sci Fi is only Sci Fi until it has unicorns. Then it's Blade Runner
    --- Double Post Merged, Aug 15, 2016, Original Post Date: Aug 15, 2016 ---
    But really, do we really care whether it's Sci Fi, Space Opera, Space Fi, Space Noir Film Fusion, Laser Jazz or Fantasy Doco Drama?
    I still like lightsabers.
     
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    Is this a bad time to ask what SKB is?
     
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    Take a wild guess .
     
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    Oh... Right.... I got there in the end. How embarrasing
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    My head was stuck in the wrong Trilogy
     
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    This is only a spoiler if you're planning on going back in time to April 1977.
     
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    Gene Roddenberry created Trek as science fiction. What it became later on is irrelevant to my point that it still pertains to OUR possible future (Earth is mentioned in every movie), while Star Wars does not, because it has nothing to do with our world, our physics and our rules.

    Star Wars is a fairy tale happening a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away. It may have space ships and it may have Death Star, but that Death Star isn't powered by hydrogen (like our current shuttles) or matter/antimatter reactor (like Enterprise), but by crystals who have relationship with magic - the Force. So when people ask, how does it make sense? The answer is - in our world, it doesn't. :)
     
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    I get it, I think it's just gonna take a while to digest. It's a new concept to ME. I understand the Death Star in light speed before SKB, and I understand it's just a movie or whatever, I just need to find a place to accept this reality. For me, there has to be parameters in which the reality of the story takes place and planets at light speed is outside of that.
     
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    Look at it this way, hyperspace is outside of normal space, it is warped space, essentially a shortcut. You can move anything at all through it, it doesn't matter about the size, it's like the sea. You can sail in a dinghy or in a cruise ship. It's a place, a substance so you're essentially moving the deathstar into this substance just the same as you would an x-wing, a freighter, a blockade runner or a Star Destroyer.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperspace_(science_fiction)#Travel
     
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    So, then hyper space and light speed aren't the same thing and shouldn't be used as interchangeable terminology?
     
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    Think of it like this:

    Hyperspace is that cool tunnel of light when they are travelling at lightspeed, which is the GFFA's term for the velocity their ships must achieve to enter those space lanes that look like light tunnels.
     
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    I don't think so, hyperspace and light speed are two different things. Light speed is the speed of light. Hyper space has to do with worm holes and other dimensions. I didn't know there was a difference until today.
     
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    Oh boy, this is going to either suck or be fun. I'm not sure which.

    For starters, it isn't surprising that the Death Star can travel through hyperspace. It clearly had to in 1977 to get to two different star systems. And clearly the second Death Star would have had the same ability or it would be stuck in orbit over Endor forever. Starkiller Base's long range cannon was clearly decades away.

    Why wouldn't fit all normal routes? Do know how wide they are? I mean, space is really, really, REALLY big.
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    Yeah, it's big. To further put it into perspective, the Death Star is about 75 miles in diameter (120 km). The Moon? Over 2,000. Earth? Nearly 9,000. Hyperlanes are likely big enough to do the job. Especially since they are just the safe paths to tread, avoiding things like asteroids, planets and the like. And it really isn't that hard to avoid considering the vast amount of space there is.

    Also, so what if the Falcon can exit Hyperspace in atmo? For starters, it is obvious that the Death Star can't (the average height of Earth's atmosphere is 12 km, one tenth of the diameter of the Death Star). Secondly, that was a nearly suicidal, highly dangerous, crazy act. That's the kinda thing very few could (and even fewer would want to) pull off.

    On Hyperspace (from Wookieepedia's Canon page on the subject):
    On the difference between science fiction and science fantasy:
    Science fiction loves to explain how ("It uses multimodal reflection sorting to filter the deuterium-antimatter mix through the dilithium crystals to generate the 1.21 gigawatts of electricity to propel the craft at a standard cruising speed of warp 9.36).
    Science fantasy simply does ("Punch it!").

    And yes, Star Trek is still science fiction. Yeah, it has have telepaths, but there were scientific (in-universe) explanations and could be affected by technology and the like. There were even different glands, etc for it in various species.
    I mean, don't forget the words of Arthur C. Clarke: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
     
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    Ok, so here's where I'm at with it: firstly, by "all routes" what I mean is there are some it could take and some it couldn't. There are shipping lanes on the ocean that aren't wide/deep enough for all vessels. At 75 miles wide, it may not fit some routes. And I know space isn't the ocean, but that's my analogy. Secondly, it's on ME to find a place to accept the "reality" of Star Wars. Without that, I don't enjoy it as much. I appreciate your efforts in explaining things, but my accepting them is another matter. Case in point, the falcon can exit light speed or whatever you wanna call it, in atmosphere, but the Death Star can't, cuz that's "rediculous ". My line of rediculousness differs from some here, good enough. Lastly, I could maybe get there on the Death Star and hyper space, but SKB, really? So it traveled in some manner but the atmosphere is still intact? Cmon man! That's worse than Rey's Jedi mind trick 90 min into the first movie. At that pace, she'll end up being Neo!

    Or am I being rediculous?

    Thanks to all for your contributions toward my understanding, the battle rages on...
     
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