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Deep Depth Analysis Of The Teaser

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by NinjaRen, Apr 12, 2019.

  1. Andrew Waples

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    The temple got destroyed, but my gut tells me you don't introduce something like this into a cartoon (*with Palpatine in that epiosde I might add*) and never use it again.
     
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    I have the theory that the KOR are fixing the mask without Kylo's permission. The KOR want to make Kylo to their new Vader, so they fix the mask and force Kylo to wear it.

    Btw mask and fixing. We can see a KOR in the teaser trailer of TROS:
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    So, the mask is definitely getting fixed by the KOR.
     
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    But the rumors and the celebration poster had Kylo wearing it... therefore I cannot say it’s impossible, however I am more inclined into believing he’s the one wearing it.

    Another chance is that the KOR or someone else, retrieve the broken mask, rebuilt it for x
    “bad” reason (tied to some weird ritual) and Kylo takes it back from them...
     
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    Have we spoken about the fact there is a second damaged mask (seemingly with a square missing out of it) behind the first 're-forged' mask in the trailer. So it appears someone has mulitple Kylo Ren masks. I think it might be in use when Kylo goes to meet the Knights of Ren, coz they all have helmets and gear as far as we know. It also might be included so that it lines up with any scenes with Leia from TFA where Kylo is masked.
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    oh great catch. thats a great still.
     
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    @Maximillian I am not even sure those are the KOR.
    The guy Kylo smashes down, may be a member of the so called “clan” from Rey’s visions that the KOR together with Kylo attack.
    So not the same guy, called “clan leader”, we saw in 7, but another one in the same context, circumstances.
    Keep in mind that originally those were the guys from whom Anakin’s lightsaber was stolen, by Kylo and KOR ( Maz was supposed to steal it, later on, form Ren and the KoR).
    Now this story line is not longer, but they can “turn it” into “the clan retrieved the mask, they fixed it with that red material, because of some weird ritual, Kylo takes it back from them”.
    That would explain why the mask is reforged only now. Why he smashes that guy and Rey’s vision from 7, can be turned into a vision of the future...
     
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    I'm not sure on if the clan leader guy has anything to do with The Knights of Ren. I'm just basing my opinion of them on the concept art thus far. Certainly someone is fixing that mask. It could be the Knights or Ren. I didn't every assume the guy Kylo smashes into the ground was a Knight of Ren though. because if it was Kylo vs the Knights I doubt he will have stromtroopers with him. That would be a lame, anti heroic way to fight a bunch of close combat folks. Plus I can't imagine a scenario where Kylo has to defect from the knights of ren and fight them without also defecting from the FO. I just don't think that shot is from a KOR fight. I think its like an assault of some kind that Kylo is leading.
     
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    In Rey’s vision the scene is Kylo + KoR vs the clan.
    So it’s not Kylo vs KOR in Rey’s visions either.

    However, the guy that in Rey’s visions is called “clan leader” wears clothes and holds a weapon that look pretty
    much like those of the guy that Kylo smashes down in RoS teaser.
    And it looks like the same guy may be the one who reforged the mask...

    Sure the point is that in 7 we see Kylo and the KoR vs the Clan.
    In 9 teaser Kylo + the stormtroopers vs a guy that looks like a Clan member.

    But... let’s say I am right, it’s not that difficult to imagine a longer scene.
    With Kylo, the KOR and the stormtroopers on one side VS the clan on the other side.
    People/groups get separated and only at some point we may have Kylo + KoR (only) vs the Clan Leader.

    EDIT: just saw this one... same points, better explained

     
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    Do we know what planet Luke's Jedi academy was on? I'm not sure a lot can be gleaned from ends of weapons and furry cuffs. The helmets from TFA and the tRoS are totally different.
     
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    We don’t. But in Rey’s visions the temple massacre and the clan scene are 2 different events.
    As for the helmets, are you talking about the KoR? Because if so, the point is that in RoS trailer we do not see them. So they cannot match.
    The “speculation” is that what we do see - for now, in IX - is again someone from the Clan vs Ren. And the cloak, the hat and the weapon are similar. It may be the same guy, or someone else but from the same group of people ( the Clan)
     
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    What part of the trailer is that from? I can’t remember that image...
     
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    It's from the scene with the hairy hands fixing Kylo's mask. The screencap is just greatly "enhanced".

    [​IMG]
     
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    But in the actual trailer we fade out to a shot of Finn and Poe before the repairman's hands ever reveal that much of the broken helm to us...Where was this image sourced from?
     
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    Oh I see now. What a great find!
     
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    It's almost one frame before the teaser trailer fades to the next shot. So the trailer does reveal as much.
     
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    The villagers or whatever... the images compared above.
     
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    "I just realized that image isn't actually a screenshot taken from the the trailer; it's a from some other promo material. In the trailer, the shot of Finn and Poe begins to fade in before we can see more of the helmet and what's behind it."

    From reddit ()
     
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    That finger must be someone from Snokes race.
     
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    It's so interesting.
    I can clearly see JJ adapting this part for the last film, to tribute Lucas ideas (remember he talked to him before writing the script) and making the last homage. And it would not be out of place.
    Luke returning to help Rey. The rise of Skywalker could be complete.
     
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    YeahI think it seems likely and within that ROTJ script it works pretty well. Its just like, Obi Wan chooses to return to physical form rather than become one with the force so in many ways its a sacrifice on his part and it also makes his line about becoming more powerful that you could possibly
    Imagine make sense.
     
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    this is an amazing catch! i believe either they will try to force Ren back into the mask or one of them will assume it.
    i don't see any reason narratively for Ren to put the mask back on. TLJ was a story of growing up for both Rey and Ren.
    if he backtracks now, it will only be as a capitulation to peer-pressure, which he will ultimately reject, or as a last desperate act of self-defense (and doomed to fail).
     
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