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Did Ben Solo become a Force Ghost?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by KeithF1138, Dec 30, 2019.

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Did Ben Solo become a Force Ghost?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. NinjaRen

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    That's just speculation though. There is the force and there is the cosmic force. Force ghost can't be force ghost forever. At some point they have to join the cosmic force and I think this is what happened with Ben. He became one with the cosmic force. At least for now.
     
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    It depends if they can pay Adam Driver enough to return down the line. If they can, he is a Force Ghost. If they can't, he never learned.
     
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    Well, is there an example of a force user vanishing and not becoming a force ghost? If not, I'd say the narrative pattern is being used for a clear reason. If we have the establishment of a consistent narrative pattern "this->that" "this->that" "this->that" "this->that" then "this" in regard to Ben should reasonably confirm "that" as well.
     
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    My read was this- Ben gave his full life force, his living force to Rey to save her life. He didn't join the cosmic force or the living force, he joined Rey. He lives on in her. So long as she lives, she has the the force of Ben, a skywalker, within her. When she someday dies, he may choose to become one with the cosmic force, or find need to interact with someone via the living force. Until then, he is a part of Rey.
     
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    For me fading away is not a sign of becoming a Force Ghost.
    It takes some knowledge to catch the level of a Force Ghost. Ben is so powerful but maybe still too young. Considering he was on the dark side the majority of his life, he was blinded by darkness and not able to learn how to become a FG.

    Chirrut Imwe was one with the Force but it doesnt mean he can become a FG.

    Sorry, for me is not that simple, otherwise we would have thousands of FG. Is not that easy to become one.

    Remember Qui-Gon was the first Jedi to discover something afterlife, the first knowledge to become a Force Ghost. But even him was not able to be a FG. He was missing a step. He transmited that knowledge to Obi-Wan (only with the voice), who improved that knowledge and became the first Jedi to become a FG (I guess he also told Yoda and Luke how to be a FG). Anakin was the powerful chosen one and afterlife Obi-Wan maybe told him too how to do it or maybe he learnt by himself.
     
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    Ben Solo left Luke somewhere between Bloodline and TFA. Bloodline takes place 6 years before TFA. Ben Solo is around 30 years old.

    I dont recall Chirrut Inwe fading away. Yes he changed he is 1 with the Force and the Force is with me, but that isnt the same.

    Anakin does it within hours of dying.
     
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    It's almost an exactly analogous situation. Anakin saved Luke, Ben saved Rey. Both turned to the light at the last moment. It's such an obvious thing, I was kind of shocked by his absence. Maybe 20 years from now they'll add his ghost like they changed Anakin's.

    Leia never had the Skywalker name, either. So if this is about bloodlines as well, which it seems to be, then Ben should have been in the shot. Luke, Leia and Ben were the last Skywalkers. And honestly, if he had lived, he and Rey would have married and that's another way for her to be a Skywalker. If calling yourself a Skywalker is reason enough to be considered one, then surely having actual Skywalker blood is, as well.

    I agree, because there aren't any rules about this. They make, modify and drop rules so fast that it's almost funny when we spend so much time thinking about what things mean, when (possibly starting with the prequels) most things don't mean anything except as is serves the story at the moment.

    Also, I think it would have been a neat twist because then The Rise Of Skywalker would have had a double meaning, or at least a stronger meaning than it does now.
     
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    You sure about that? She was born Leia Skywalker, then the Organa's adopt her.
     
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    I know that, but she never used the name. No one ever called her Leia Skywalker, nor did she use it after she found out who she was.
    But you're saying Ben never had the Skywalker name. Neither did she. Yet they both were legitimately Skywalkers.

    I do a lot of genealogical research and names automatically take a back seat to one's actual blood lines. And just ask any female who has ever been married and changed her name. I certainly don't consider my husbands parents to be mine. There are times, of course, when taking a name is very significant (like Rey's, me, and my own dad who was adopted) but the default is definitely to bloodlines, there's no doubt about it. Get on any genealogical forum and ask if Kylo is a Skywalker and the answer will be, "Yes, definitely." Ask the same about Rey, and the answer will be far more qualified. This is something that some adoptees struggle with all their lives. Probably Rey will, too.

    I guess my point is- names can be important. But bloodlines always are.
     
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    I am referring to is strictly symbolically for the scene in question. Why just Luke and Leia look to Rey on Tatooine. They are the twin Skywalkers on the twin sun planet that started it all.
     
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    Ok, I get that. Especially if one sees ANH as the true start of the series.
    Others would say it was Shmi who started it all.
     
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    Start of the series. Start of the story is Shmi
     
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    he became a pile of really gross clothes. I think he would have been there with Luke and Leia if he had.
     
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    I think it's a case of Schrodinger's force ghost. He is simultaneously a force ghost and not one until he is observed being one.

    Isn't it also possible that he did become a force ghost but just didn't appear to Rey at that specific moment while his mom and uncle were having a moment with her?
     
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    This is what I assume. There are so many direct parallels with Vader/Luke and Kylo/Rey* that his last-minute redemption and Force abilities should have secured him a spot in the pantheon.

    *Except Vader didn't kiss Luke, of course.
     
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    I'm a yes though it is more extremely heavily implied than definitive.

    He disappeared. Every character that faded away has been a force ghost including Leia and two that did not did as well to varying degrees but if you fade I'm left with you being one for sure.

    Ben Solo retains himself is my 100% take away. There is no reason in the onscreen narrative to think otherwise.
     
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    I imagine so. JJ probably just didn’t want to deal with that same “space Hitler went to Jedi heaven?” controversy with Vader in ROTJ.
    Doesn’t everybody become “one with the Force” when they die? That was the impression I got.

    Yoda: Death is a natural part of life. Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force.
     
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    Vader was surprised when Obi-Wan faded away. You never saw a Jedi in PT fade away. So when I say become "One with the Force" that is what I mean. Fade away and become a Force Ghost when you choose to show yourself.
     
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    Sure, yeah, that's been my general take too. Fade out = Force ghost. But even guys like Qui-Gon and Anakin who didn't were still eligible. So it isn't a strict 1 to 1, but if the film maker decided to throw in a fancy dissolve effect, then the odds are better. It's visual shorthand.
     
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