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Did Ben Solo become a Force Ghost?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by KeithF1138, Dec 30, 2019.

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Did Ben Solo become a Force Ghost?

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  2. No

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  1. RoyleRancor

    RoyleRancor Jedi General

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    And as it is with Star Wars, it's doctor's short hand and you will never be able translate it clearly from one doctor to the next.
     
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    Life creates the living force, and connects all living things. This is how one senses others' thoughts, emotions, presence etc. When something living dies, they pass on to cosmic force. The cosmic force is the eternal wellspring of the force, and gives force wielders their power. It is by drawing upon the cosmic, that they can levitate objects, gain clairvoyance etc.

    Normally, when one passes into the cosmic, they lose their sense of self. They merely cease to exist in a manner of speaking, and become nothing more than fuel for the flame. Force ghosts are beings who have learnt how to retain their consciousness when passing into the cosmic force. However, becoming a force ghost is not without its drawbacks. Per Qui-Gon from the book "A Certain Point of View", it is hard and painful to be within the physical realm, and there always exists a part of you that yearns to return to the 'river' of the force.

    Ben Solo is a force ghost now. Only those who complete their force ghost training vanish, everyone else just becomes a limp, lifeless shell.
     
  3. Jayson

    Jayson Force Sensitive

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    No idea, but I know he died at peace and resolved because every character who has faded is one who has been ready to die, is at peace, and no longer conflicted on anything.

    Cheers,
    Jayson
     
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  4. Danny Spanks

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    #1 - It was a mistake to have Kylo Ben fade. Only Jedi who have learned to fade can do this. Leia (we have to assume) learned how to do it from Luke. But when it comes to Kylo Ben, just as we saw with Anakin Vader, he never learned how to fade and should therefore be impossible.

    #2 - Previously, Force Ghosts were simple to understand - If you die a good person, you'll become a Force Ghost. Jedi Masters learned how to become Force Ghosts on their own terms. Non-Jedi Masters could not. But now we have *2* NON-Jedi Masters fading away, and only ONE of them becoming a Force Ghost?! Leia did NOT complete her training and neither did Kylo, yet Leia is shown as a ghost and Kylo Ben is not.

    #3 - The problem here (and throughout this trilogy) is the inconsistency. The writers of the film only cared about how things looked. They did not care about the lore, the history, or how the Force works in the GFFA.

    For example, Force Ghosts interacting with the physical world. With that being a "thing" now, here's how the final confrontation should've gone...

    Rey shows up to face Palps. Luke's Force Ghost shows up. Rey throws him the lightsaber. Luke is a ghost, so Palps can't harm or kill him. Luke walks up to Palps, ignites the saber, and chops his head off. The end.

    (Would be better if it was Anakin's Force Ghost, but whatever.)
     
  5. KeithF1138

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    So just put ROTJ to look closely at Anakin death. It can easily be argued that Anakin wasnt 100% dead when you cut away and we simply didnt see him fade away and that what Luke burned was just the suit and armor. Just a little while later we see his Force Ghost.
     
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    All I could say is he is one with the force per TROS, a force ghost has yet to be seen.. he may or may not
     
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    You haven't been keeping up with the force ghost lore then. Becoming a force ghost is an ability of the light side, it's not Jedi exclusive. Qui-Gon, the first Jedi to learn this, is taught by a formless Force Priestess, who can split her soul into five parts.
    You are working off an assumption that becoming a force ghost is one of the last, or harder things you learn upon the Jedi path. Nothing in canon has suggested that whatsoever. If Leia can become a force ghost, then Ben, who trained for way longer than her absolutely learnt how to become a ghost. He simply didn't appear as one near the end because the director and co-writer decided so. Nothing more.
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    #1 - My alternate ending to ROS was to show how poorly it was written. They didn't even think about the implications of what they were saying or showing. You are 100% correct that the Force doesn't work that way. Scratch that. It DIDN'T work that way. But now, thanks to Disney, it does.

    #2 - In regards to not "keeping up with force ghost lore" you are again 100% correct. I am a firm believer that you shouldn't be required or expected to do homework to understand a movie or certain elements of it. I have nothing against people who love the additional books, comics, games, TV shows... I think that's great. But in regards to a movie, it is the movie's job to explain or imply how things do or don't work.

    #3 - If Ben became a FG, but didn't appear as a FG, because the writer/director chose not to, it only validates my point that the movie is poorly written.
     
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