Did Ben Solo use "The Skywalker Saber"?

There is this virtual reality part that maybe is out of the perspective of Ben. Could this be when he had the lightsaber?

I agree and Kylo's intentions are different from Snoke's. Snoke doesn't want Luke to return and Kylo wants to find him. We don't know 100% if he wants to kill Luke. In case you are right and Kylo instead wants to turn Luke to the dark side, how can he manage this? Maybe with threatening his daughter?

 

Indeed I think Ben Solo was once the owner of the "Skywalker Saber" before he had been fallen to the dark side. Unfortunately there is no real evidence if Ben was ever in possession of the saber. We only know that Anakin Skywalker's sword was recovered by a scavenger in bespin and then found its way to Maz Kanata.
But Kylo Ren recognises the saber, so he has seen it before...

Hopefully we get an answer in EPVIII.

 

Yeah, he said "That light saber it belongs to me". I think he may have had it at some point, or at least recognized it.

 

well there's an elegantly simple motive that hadn't crossed my mind. huh.

i do think Ren Ben had his hands on the saber at some point, though i don't have any particular thoughts on when or how.
it makes total sense to me that Ren and Rey are sharing a vision through it, perhaps.
and i do believe the boy she sees is him, ~ though he was cut from the film, so it's one of those squirrely moments of canonical questionableness.

 

it's a tough one this, as "That light saber - it belongs to me" is probably what he would have said with either of these scenarios being true:-

1. He was given the light saber while he was Ben Solo training with Luke.
2. He has never been in possession of it, but recognizes that it is Vaders. He has Vaders mask and would consider any of his grandfathers belongings as 'his'.

i personally don't think he had the saber before. If he was hung up on an item that belonged to Ben Solo (who he says doesn't exist anymore) then that would be... very interesting. Ben Solo would shout that... not Kylo

I think that the story of Anakin's light saber (post cloud city) will be told by Maz in episode 8, and i doubt that any main protagonist got their hands on it during that time till Rey picked it up.

 

this is a fun line of conjecture.

i've always felt from the start that Ren is up to something ~ not outright subterfuge against Snoke, but some other line of thought about his destiny that doesn't entirely jive with Snoke's immediate plans. in this case, perhaps he thinks he can turn Luke to prevent Snoke from feeling the need to kill him? like he tried to turn Rey knowing--at least in the novel--that it was either that or Snoke would likely destroy her or make Ren destroy her.

i still am not convinced Ren is plotting in any way against Snoke specifically. he just doesn't have that kind of subterfuge in him.
it's more obvious, again, in the book-- but he's so honest about what he thinks. everything is right on the surface all the time.

all that said, you're right about that one glaring omission: the black hole that is Ben's relationship with Leia.
everything in the book was cut from the film, even the reference to her on the bridge:
Han originally says "your mother misses you" and Ren Ben nearly starts to cry.

whether that is meaningful remains to be seen. his father was disposable if this is, in fact, his plan: to restore Vader's heirs to the throne and, barring their cooperation, take it himself? i never once get the impression that whatever he's doing is for his own glory.
he seems perfectly okay being Snoke's dog, and whatever he's after, he seems to consider it greater than himself.
so in a way, i think even if he's determined to take over the galaxy it's for some greater purpose than merely to rule.

it becomes a bit of a contradiction: ascension is destroying him, but he feels compelled (by destiny? by the Force?) to follow this path?

 

It's possible, but I'm going to say no based on Han's reaction to seeing the lightsaber. Of course Kylo Ren wants the blade because he's obsessed with relics associated with his grandfather.

 

If this becomes Ben's old saber it's probably a decision made after that scene was filmed. So that's why I say it's possible. I don't think that was the original intention. Anyway, there's not much to add to this at this point. Just have to wait and see.

 

i'm vascillating on what Ren Ben actually thinks about his father. i agree his relationship with Han is likely less complex than it is with Leia, but i'm inclined to believe he also has less anger toward his father (because of Han's lack of FS and the bloodline) than he does his mother (who really should have known better, understood him more, been honest, etc.). that's why i think he calls Han weak and foolish: because Han didn't know any better than to listen to Leia, do as she said. Han didn't understand that Snoke was after him, couldn't protect him. Leia could have and should have (to his thinking).

so again, i'm finding it contradictory that he would want to restore Vader's legacy through the restoration of power to his children, when, really, it's those children who he ought to deem most unworthy. but, as you said, it could be his intention to give them a "turn or die" option and, in this way, finish what Vader started?

i still think the goal is bigger.

i agree with this. it almost seems like Han knew his son had it at one time (he hasn't seen his son yet on Takodana, but he seems to have a slightly queasy reaction to the light saber, and Maz isn't going to discuss it right then, which, to me, suggests that maybe she knows it's best not to dredge up the family pain at this moment rather than that being a "convenient" omission.

 

if i could get him away from Snoke and help him find a measure of peace to go home to his mother, i'd do it for free ~ hahahaha!

 

Did Maz take it from Kylo? She doesn't specify where or how she got it, only she would tell Han later which won't happen now.

 

I'm not sure if it was a vision within a vision for rey if that's the case but if Ben was one of his first students and Luke was lacking on sabers then I'd assume he'd be given it as if to keep it
"within the family."

 

Well @master_shaitan you are on point with these theories! I think the largest problem for this theory (in my mind) is that - if he had the lightsaber, why or how did he lose it? Everything else would be pretty cool, and it could explain why Kylo's lightsaber is so...worn...maybe that was actually his first attempt to build a lightsaber because before then, he'd just been using his uncle/grandfather's saber.

 

What if Rey's vision on Bespin is REALLY Kylo losing the saber?

 

Possible, but I don't think I'd be able to take it seriously if that was the case (mostly because I'm rusty on what happened during said Force-Back. I'll try to get back to you if/when I rewatch the scene).